Justice League (2017)

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Wikidata Q20501835, film, IMDb tt0974015, TMDB 141052: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Joss Whedon as reshoots/rewrites (The Avengers); 1 more episode agrees.

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Who talked about it

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Led to

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No line says another film or person drew on it.

Connected to

Avengers: Infinity War: 2 lines verdict ×1 contrast ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Avengers: Infinity War → Justice League. If Justice League were a true flop it would send shockwaves through the genre.
    “If Justice League is a flop, a true flop, um, I think that'll send shockwaves through the through the genre.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:57:20 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)

Joss Whedon: 2 lines people ×1 industry ×1

  1. people (people): Justice League → Joss Whedon. Whedon finished Justice League after Snyder left, inserting snappy Marvel-style dialogue into a grim DC.
    “Justice League was finished by Joss Whedon, who was the writer director of the Avengers film”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:23:07 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

The Avengers: 2 lines contrast ×1 industry ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): The Avengers → Justice League. In Avengers each character has a voice; in Justice League anyone could say any line.
    “in the Justice League, in this scene, anyone could say any line and it would sound fine.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:54:08 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Zack Snyder: 2 lines industry ×1 craft ×1

  1. industry (industry): Zack Snyder → Justice League. Fennessey ties the stormy shared look of earlier DC films to Zack Snyder, which DC is now abandoning.
    “the same kind of stormy visual aesthetic that Zack Snyder created”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:08:28 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them)

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness → Justice League. Stewart's Professor X with the old chair and sting is like Elfman reusing the Batman and Superman themes: clever or fan service.
    “I'm going to use my Batman theme.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Marvel Nerdfest · 0:19:39 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Shazam!: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Justice League → Shazam!. DC pivoted to standalone films after Justice League underperformed against expectations.
    “they did a pretty quick pivot from, like, fast tracking their Justice League movie”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:06:43 · Miles Surrey (0.85 sure it was them)

Suicide Squad: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Suicide Squad → Justice League. Suicide Squad's street-level crooks fighting a celestial god is a story-scale mistake.
    “Like, why are they fighting an like a celestial god.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:32:00 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)

The Dark Knight Rises: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): The Dark Knight Rises → Justice League. Imagined bit: Aquaman confronting Bruce Wayne over the fish killed by the nuclear blast in The Dark Knight Rises.
    “Do you know how many fucking fish died when you exploded that nuclear weapon over the ocean?”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:36:11 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)

Thor: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Justice League → Thor. Justice League must make Cyborg, Aquaman, and the Flash into linchpins the way Thor and Captain America are.
    “They have to be the Thor, they have to be the Captain America.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:33:16 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

contrast (3)

  1. contrast (contrast): Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness → Justice League. Stewart's Professor X with the old chair and sting is like Elfman reusing the Batman and Superman themes: clever or fan service.
    “I'm going to use my Batman theme.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Marvel Nerdfest · 0:19:39 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Justice League → Avengers: Infinity War. Justice League tried to deliver team-up goosebumps three movies into its universe, too early.
    “Justice League tried, like, 3 movies into their universe, essentially, to have the goosebump moments of, oh, they're all together”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War with John Hodgman · 1:59:37 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): The Avengers → Justice League. In Avengers each character has a voice; in Justice League anyone could say any line.
    “in the Justice League, in this scene, anyone could say any line and it would sound fine.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:54:08 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

craft (2)

  1. craft (craft): Suicide Squad → Justice League. Suicide Squad's street-level crooks fighting a celestial god is a story-scale mistake.
    “Like, why are they fighting an like a celestial god.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:32:00 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Zack Snyder → Justice League. Snyder's approach to a speedster: lightning effects and cranked-up slow-mo.
    “Snyder does his super cranked up thing.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Eclipse · 0:33:24 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

industry (4)

  1. industry (industry): Justice League → Shazam!. DC pivoted to standalone films after Justice League underperformed against expectations.
    “they did a pretty quick pivot from, like, fast tracking their Justice League movie”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:06:43 · Miles Surrey (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Zack Snyder → Justice League. Fennessey ties the stormy shared look of earlier DC films to Zack Snyder, which DC is now abandoning.
    “the same kind of stormy visual aesthetic that Zack Snyder created”
    The Big Picture · 'Shazam!’ and the Future of the DCEU With David F. Sandberg | Interview · 0:08:28 · Sean Fennessey (0.90 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Joss Whedon → Justice League. Warner brought Whedon in after filming to retroactively make it more like Avengers, with reshoots adding jokes and replicated family cutaways.
    “they bring in Joss Whedon after they've filmed the entire movie and go like, can you retroactively make it into more like Avengers?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 2:01:43 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): Justice League → The Avengers. Marvel spent five setup films; DC's Justice League tried eight characters off two movies.
    “the Justice League is like, we have like 8 characters and we did 2 movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:02:49 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (people): Justice League → Joss Whedon. Whedon finished Justice League after Snyder left, inserting snappy Marvel-style dialogue into a grim DC.
    “Justice League was finished by Joss Whedon, who was the writer director of the Avengers film”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:23:07 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

programming (1)

  1. programming (programming): Justice League → Thor. Justice League must make Cyborg, Aquaman, and the Flash into linchpins the way Thor and Captain America are.
    “They have to be the Thor, they have to be the Captain America.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:33:16 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

verdict (1)

  1. verdict (verdict): Avengers: Infinity War → Justice League. If Justice League were a true flop it would send shockwaves through the genre.
    “If Justice League is a flop, a true flop, um, I think that'll send shockwaves through the through the genre.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:57:20 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)

what-if (1)

  1. what-if (what-if): The Dark Knight Rises → Justice League. Imagined bit: Aquaman confronting Bruce Wayne over the fish killed by the nuclear blast in The Dark Knight Rises.
    “Do you know how many fucking fish died when you exploded that nuclear weapon over the ocean?”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:36:11 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Justice League: Sean cannot name the actor playing Cyborg; Ray Fisher is supplied.
    “I can't name the man who's playing cyborg, which is that's bad news.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:33:18 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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