David Shoemaker

2 sketches, 36 claims, and 19 fun items attributed to them. What was said about them.

Personality, episode by episode

Showing 1–2 of 2 sketches.

The Big Picture: Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) (guest)

Believes the best wrestling movies are documentaries and cult oddities; loves weird, tonally pure b-movies like Body Slam and Paradise Alley. Dislikes tone-deaf studio efforts like Ready to Rumble. A sucker for wrestling's blur of real and fake.

Stances

  • Documentaries beat fiction for wrestling
  • The Wrestler is the best wrestling movie
  • Fiction fails when it treats a fake sport in a fake world
  • Wrestling history (Gold Dust Trio, Sputnik Monroe) deserves movies

Humor: Wry anecdotal storyteller who undercuts himself, such as the Masked Man introductions and long recommendations delivered as if scribbled on a list.

In their words

  • “the best rest pro wrestling movies are documentaries” (0:02:27)
  • “It is a weird, weird movie, but it is awesome.” (0:08:23)
  • “my dream is to go all the way back to the beginning when wrestling became fake with the gold dust trio” (0:20:52)
  • “it's really hard to treat a fake sport in an utterly fake world” (0:03:07)

The Big Picture: The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) (guest)

Comics veteran who admires Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men and Logan. Likes character-driven stories and soap-opera X-Men. Impatient with DC's lack of confidence and with forced cameos.

Stances

  • DC lacks a Kevin Feige voice
  • X-Men should be a TV soap
  • Wolverine's tyranny hurt the X-films

Humor: Wry and self-aware, with wrestling references and fish jokes.

In their words

  • “This should be a TV show.” (0:45:14)
  • “the tyranny of Wolverine” (0:42:24)

Their shows' recurring bits

Running bits, not opinions; a critic read aloud is cited, not present.

The Big Picture

Their claims

Showing 1–36 of 36 claims.

  1. contrast (contrast): The Wrestler → The Wrestler. Shoemaker separates Aronofsky's The Wrestler from the 1974 film of the same name, which he treats as completist-only.
    “I'm talking about the amazing Darren Aronovsky movie and not the 1974 movie”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:04:31 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  2. people (people): The Wrestler → Darren Aronofsky. Shoemaker attributes The Wrestler to Aronofsky.
    “the amazing Darren Aronovsky movie”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:04:31 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): The Wrestler → Nacho Libre. Shoemaker calls The Wrestler the best wrestling movie ever but not the one to show his kids; he would show them Nacho Libre instead.
    “far and away the best wrestling movie that's ever been made, but it's not the movie that I would like show my kids to explain to them what pro wrestling is.”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:06:20 · David Shoemaker (0.85 sure it was them)
  4. people (people): Hulk Hogan → No Holds Barred. Shoemaker recommends the Hogan vehicle as a silly wrestling movie, calling it insane and deeply wonderful.
    “no holds barred with Hulk Hogan is is just absolutely cocaine riddled and insane and just deeply wonderful in its way”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:06:57 · David Shoemaker (0.75 sure it was them)
  5. people (people): Body Slam → Vince McMahon. Shoemaker says Dirk Benedict plays a smarmy Vince McMahon type in Body Slam, opposite Roddy Piper as the big-name wrestler.
    “Dirk Benedict sort of playing a smarmy Vince McMahon character”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:07:41 · David Shoemaker (0.85 sure it was them)
  6. career (career): Paradise Alley → Rocky. Shoemaker presents Paradise Alley as the little-known pro wrestling movie Stallone made right after Rocky.
    “Paradise Alley, um, that Stallone made after the Rocky.”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:08:03 · David Shoemaker (0.85 sure it was them)
  7. career (career): Paradise Alley → Sylvester Stallone. Shoemaker says Paradise Alley explains why Stallone's later career was so Rocky and Rambo heavy.
    “explains why Stallone's career was like heavily rocky and Rambo going forward”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:09:13 · David Shoemaker (0.80 sure it was them)
  8. people (people): Night and the City → Stanislaus Zbyszko. Shoemaker says the film has one of the best prolonged wrestling scenes, with Zbyszko of all people.
    “one of the best, like, prolonged wrestling scenes in any movie, um, with Stanislaw's Obisco”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:11:23 · David Shoemaker (0.85 sure it was them)
  9. career (career): Night and the City → The Naked City. Shoemaker places Night and the City in Jules Dassin's career between The Naked City and Rififi.
    “made between the naked city and Rafifi”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:11:58 · David Shoemaker (0.80 sure it was them)
  10. career (career): Night and the City → Rififi. Same sentence: Dassin made Night and the City between The Naked City and Rififi, the films that made him known as a crime-caper noir director.
    “made between the naked city and Rafifi”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:11:58 · David Shoemaker (0.80 sure it was them)
  11. people (people): Night and the City → Richard Widmark. Shoemaker says it is really a crime movie with great performances from Widmark and Gene Tierney, though wrestling is vital to the plot.
    “It's just, it's just a crime movie in a lot of ways, but it's got great performances, Richard Woodmark and Gene Tierney.”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:12:16 · David Shoemaker (0.80 sure it was them)
  12. contrast (contrast): Ready to Rumble → Fighting with My Family. Shoemaker says the Ready to Rumble/Arquette attempt failed because a wrestling movie must strike exactly the right tone, the test Fighting with My Family now faces.
    “there's a reason why they're ready to rumble David Arquette thing was a failure, because you have to, you have to strike the exact right tone.”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:13:24 · David Shoemaker (0.85 sure it was them)
  13. career (career): Ready to Rumble → David Arquette. Shoemaker calls the movie terrible and Arquette's WCW title reign forgettable, contrasting it with Arquette's later redemption as a real indie wrestler.
    “Ready to Rumble was a terrible movie and him being WCW champion is just a laughable at best forgettable moment of pro wrestling history”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:14:02 · David Shoemaker (0.85 sure it was them)
  14. career (career): Fake It So Real → Robert Greene. Shoemaker says Fake It So Real's director Robert Greene went on to make intellectually interesting documentaries.
    “the director is Robert Green, who's gone on to make some of, certainly the most intellectually, like, interesting documentaries in the world since then”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:16:00 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  15. career (career): Robert Greene → Actress. Shoemaker lists Actress among Greene's later work.
    “He's made like actress, Kate Place Christine.”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:16:17 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  16. career (career): Robert Greene → Kate Plays Christine. Shoemaker lists Kate Plays Christine (as transcribed) among Greene's later work.
    “He's made like actress, Kate Place Christine.”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:16:17 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  17. career (career): Robert Greene → Bisbee 17. Shoemaker says Greene's most recent film is Bisbee 17, a reenactment of a dark moment in American history.
    “most recently he made a movie called Bisbee 17”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:16:22 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  18. theme (theme): Robert Greene → Fake It So Real. Shoemaker says Greene came to documentary through wrestling and kayfabe, the tension between staged and true that Fake It So Real explores.
    “He came to like documentary through wrestling”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:16:46 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  19. lineage (lineage): La Lutte → Roland Barthes. Shoemaker says the 1960 Quebec art-film documentary was deeply influenced by Barthes's obsession with wrestling.
    “deeply influenced by Rowan Bart and his like obsession with wrestling”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:18:17 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  20. contrast (contrast): La Lutte → Wrestling with Shadows. Shoemaker contrasts La Lutte's art-film approach with the plainer, gritty wrestling documentaries Wrestling with Shadows and Beyond the Mat.
    “such a different movie than like wrestling with shadows or beyond the mat or these things that are just like the sort of like so gritty, their plain sort of wrestling documentaries”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:18:26 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  21. contrast (contrast): La Lutte → Beyond the Mat. Same sentence: La Lutte differs from the gritty wrestling documentaries like Beyond the Mat.
    “such a different movie than like wrestling with shadows or beyond the mat or these things that are just like the sort of like so gritty, their plain sort of wrestling documentaries”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:18:26 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  22. what-if (what-if): Ryan Coogler → Michael B. Jordan. Shoemaker says a Junkyard Dog biopic from Coogler and Jordan would be really cool.
    “Ryan Kugler and Michael B. Jordan doing that would be really cool.”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:19:56 · David Shoemaker (0.70 sure it was them)
  23. craft (craft): Dave Gibbons → Watchmen. Gibbons' same-size panels made the Watchmen comic a structural feat, which Snyder followed faithfully in the film.
    “and, you know, he was able to, uh, I mean, Dave Gibbons is one of the great comic book illustrators, but is a very low key sort of British style that all the panels in the book were the same size.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:06:11 · David Shoemaker (0.55 sure it was them)
  24. industry (industry): Watchmen → Iron Man. Snyder, while promoting Watchmen, doubted Marvel's B-list characters; then Iron Man made $300 million.
    “I can't believe Iron Man made $300 million.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:10:20 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  25. lineage (lineage): Thor: Ragnarok → Jason Aaron. Ragnarok is influenced by Jason Aaron's Thor comics.
    “Ragnarok is certainly influenced by the Jason Aaron stuff.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:12:02 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  26. career (career): Iron Man → Robert Downey Jr.. Downey was a gamble at that stage of his career.
    “Robert Downey Jr. was it sort of a, you know, that was a crapshoot when Iron Man one came out.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:13:01 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  27. craft (craft): Spider-Man → Hellboy. The best superhero movies tie the origin to the villain and arc, as in Spider-Man's Green Goblin and Hellboy's Nazis.
    “the best superhero movies that have ever been made or the ones in where the origin story is tied in directly to the arc of the movie”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:30:39 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  28. craft (craft): Suicide Squad → Justice League. Suicide Squad's street-level crooks fighting a celestial god is a story-scale mistake.
    “Like, why are they fighting an like a celestial god.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:32:00 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  29. what-if (what-if): The Dark Knight Rises → Justice League. Imagined bit: Aquaman confronting Bruce Wayne over the fish killed by the nuclear blast in The Dark Knight Rises.
    “Do you know how many fucking fish died when you exploded that nuclear weapon over the ocean?”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:36:11 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  30. people (people): The Dark Knight → Heath Ledger. Ledger's Joker is the main reason the Nolan trilogy is still discussed positively.
    “Heath Ledger was, is the main reason that we still talk about those movies at all in a positive way.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:37:36 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  31. industry (industry): X-Men: Days of Future Past → Jennifer Lawrence. The film shoehorned Mystique into a prominent role because the studio had J-Law under contract.
    “we have J-Law under contract, so we got to figure out a way to get mystique and a prominent role in this.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:41:54 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  32. contrast (contrast): Logan → X-Men. Logan works by taking two characters and good supporting actors instead of shoehorning everyone in, as the X-Men films did.
    “I'm just going to take 2 of the characters and surround them with good supporting actors”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:42:59 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  33. programming (programming): Black Panther → Avengers: Infinity War. Black Panther looks like the best bet to carry the MCU into the next phase after Infinity War.
    “Black Panther certainly looks to be the best bet to carry the series into phase four”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:49:22 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  34. programming (programming): Guardians of the Galaxy → Avengers: Infinity War. Guardians 3 is certain and Star-Lord is now a primary MCU figure.
    “Chris Pratt, obviously, there will be a Guardians 3.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:52:39 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  35. verdict (verdict): Avengers: Infinity War → Justice League. If Justice League were a true flop it would send shockwaves through the genre.
    “If Justice League is a flop, a true flop, um, I think that'll send shockwaves through the through the genre.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:57:20 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  36. theme (theme): The Avengers → Spider-Man: Homecoming. Homecoming's Mary Jane reveal avoided fan service in favor of storytelling.
    “the reveal of MJ of Mary Jane at the end of the movie was really powerful”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 1:00:08 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)

Their fun items

Showing 1–19 of 19 fun items.

  1. fun, about Wrestling movies in general: Shoemaker's thesis: fiction wrestling films get silly because it is hard to portray a fake sport in a fake world.
    “it's really hard to treat a fake sport in an utterly fake world”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:03:07 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about GLOW (TV series): Shoemaker says Netflix's GLOW has done wrestling fiction about as well as anything.
    “Glow, the Netflix series has done it just about as well as anything else”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:03:26 · David Shoemaker (0.85 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about The Wrestler / Darren Aronofsky: Shoemaker saw Aronofsky behind him at a wrestling-manager one-man show about six months before The Wrestler was announced.
    “what in the hell is Darren Aronovsky doing here?”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:05:44 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about No Holds Barred: Shoemaker's silly-wrestling-movie pick: Hogan's No Holds Barred, absolutely cocaine riddled and wonderful.
    “absolutely cocaine riddled and insane and just deeply wonderful in its way”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:06:57 · David Shoemaker (0.75 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Paradise Alley: Stallone spent his post-Rocky political capital on a wrestling movie few people know exists.
    “He basically used like all of his all of his like political capital.”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:08:10 · David Shoemaker (0.85 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about The Foul King: Korean movie that nails Shoemaker's lifelong nightmare of showing up for a match and finding it is real.
    “my like lifelong nightmare of becoming a pro wrestler and showing up for the match only to realize that it was real”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:10:14 · David Shoemaker (0.85 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about The Big Show-Off: 1945 comedy where Arthur Lake courts Dale Evans, who is obsessed with pro wrestling.
    “Arthur Lake is trying to get Dale Evans and she's obsessed with pro wrestling.”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:10:49 · David Shoemaker (0.80 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about Night and the City: In 1940s-50s seedy New York noirs wrestling was an easy backdrop, but here it is more central than in most.
    “it's more central night in the city than most of those movies”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:12:43 · David Shoemaker (0.80 sure it was them)
  9. fun, about David Arquette: Arquette, in his late 40s or early 50s, now wrestles real indie shows and gets bloodied for love of the game, redeeming Ready to Rumble.
    “just getting literally bloodied up and broken, just for the love of the game”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:13:48 · David Shoemaker (0.85 sure it was them)
  10. fun, about Fake It So Real / documentary: Greene's kayfabe insight: a documentary cannot capture absolute truth once a camera is on you.
    “there's no truth when there's a camera in your face, right?”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:16:46 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  11. fun, about La Lutte: Quebec 1960 art-film wrestling documentary reportedly free online from the Canadian government.
    “I believe is still available online for free from like the Canadian government”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:17:50 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  12. fun, about Sputnik Monroe: Shoemaker's wrestling icon; legend says he helped desegregate the Memphis arena, a biopic idea.
    “Sputnik Monroe who wrestled in Memphis and and legend, the legend has it had a hand in desegregating”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:20:14 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  13. fun, about The Gold Dust Trio: Shoemaker's time-travel dream: go back with a video camera to when wrestling became fake in the 1920s.
    “if I could go back in time with a video camera.”
    The Big Picture · Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130) · 0:21:05 · David Shoemaker (0.90 sure it was them)
  14. fun, about X-Men: The first X-Men casting was driven by Wizard magazine's casting column; Glenn Danzig was floated as Wolverine.
    “Glenn Danzig, I remember that was like one of the really crazy ones that was thrown.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:05:10 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  15. fun, about Watchmen: Snyder, around Watchmen, scoffed at a Captain America or Thor movie.
    “I can't believe Iron Man made $300 million.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:10:20 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  16. fun, about Bendis: Bendis' dialogue-heavy comics: 20 balloons per panel, gently woke.
    “there's like 20 per face, and they're just eating each other all over the page”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:24:34 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  17. fun, about Suicide Squad: Audience guffawed at the celestial-god climax; one host says 13-year-old David would have loved it.
    “13 year old David would have thought it was awesome.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:32:29 · David Shoemaker (0.50 sure it was them)
  18. fun, about Aquaman (planned film): Pitch: Aquaman confronting Bruce Wayne about fish killed in the nuclear blast.
    “Do you know how many fucking fish died when you exploded that nuclear weapon over the ocean?”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:36:11 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)
  19. fun, about Wolverine: Every teenage boy loves Wolverine; the tyranny of Wolverine drove X-Men films.
    “Every teenage boy loves Wolverine.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:42:43 · David Shoemaker (0.40 sure it was them)