Thor (2011)

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Wikidata Q217020, film, IMDb tt0800369, TMDB 10195: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by episode credits Natalie Portman as actor (The Avengers); 9 more episodes agree.

What a model would be handed about it, for corpus:ask.

In the store as #505, Thor (2011).

Who talked about it

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Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

J. Michael Straczynski: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): J. Michael Straczynski ⇒ Thor (the host's read). The film borrows heavily from Straczynski's celebrated Thor run, including Thor spending time in the Midwest.
    “the celebrated Thor arc was J. Michael Stratinsky, which is this is borrowing from heavily.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:08:28 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Masters of the Universe: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Masters of the Universe ⇒ Thor (the host's read). Thor is described as essentially a remake of the live-action Masters of the Universe.
    “It's mostly just a remake of the live action masters of the universe movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:03:54 · Griffin Newman (0.65 sure it was them)

Stan Lee: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Stan Lee ⇒ Thor (the host's read). The Donald Blake identity came from Stan Lee's 60s devotion to the secret-identity trope; the movie keeps it only as a fake ID gag.
    “in the 60s, Stanley was a little slavishly devoted to like the classic superhero comic trope, so you needed a secret identity”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:08:08 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

No line says another film or person drew on it.

Connected to

The Avengers: 6 lines programming ×2 craft ×1 contrast ×1 lineage ×1 career ×1

  1. programming (programming): The Avengers → Thor. Thor was treated as a loss leader, a stepping stone to the Avengers.
    “Thor was treated as a loss leader, essentially.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:13:42 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Masters of the Universe: 4 lines lineage ×4

  1. lineage (lineage): Thor → Masters of the Universe. Thor is described as essentially a remake of the live-action Masters of the Universe.
    “It's mostly just a remake of the live action masters of the universe movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:03:54 · Griffin Newman (0.65 sure it was them)

Iron Man 2: 3 lines craft ×1 industry ×1 programming ×1

  1. craft (craft): Thor → Iron Man 2. Both force S.H.I.E.L.D. world-building into the plot; Iron Man 2 does it worse, and Captain America saves it for the end.
    “Iron Man 2 has it worse than this, but this and Iron Man 2 have that right where they're sort of like, PS, like, Hawkeye's coming.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:48:53 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Thor: The Dark World: 3 lines craft ×1 industry ×1 verdict ×1

  1. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Thor. The Dark World goes further in both directions on design (older looks plus more tech) while Branagh's Thor split the difference in a murky middle.
    “I think, like, Branagh is splitting the difference too hard and staying in a weird murky middle ground.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:18:52 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)

Black Panther: 2 lines industry ×1 contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Thor → Black Panther. Black Panther gives every ensemble member an inner life and a plot function; Thor's side characters like Volstagg and Sif do little.
    “every single character has their own personality, their own internal conflict, but has like a very important plot function as well.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:47:38 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Captain America: The First Avenger: 2 lines craft ×1 programming ×1

  1. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Thor. Both Marvel origin films avoid dropping the audience straight into a stylized world and open on a grounded genre set-up.
    “This is the exact same structural thing as Thor, where it's like, let's not drop people into crazy stylized world.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:10:16 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Kenneth Branagh: 2 lines industry ×1 craft ×1

  1. industry (industry): Thor → Kenneth Branagh. Marvel hired Branagh for Shakespearean gravitas to signal seriousness, then handed him a goofball script.
    “let's hire Kenneth Brown out to show people were making a serious movie because he's a Shakespearean guy”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:03:43 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Matthew Vaughn: 2 lines what-if ×2

  1. what-if (what-if): Thor → Matthew Vaughn. Vaughn was hired after leaving X-Men and wanted Kevin McKidd, but exited in 2008.
    “He loved to quit movies because he exits in 2008.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:26:16 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Thor: Ragnarok: 2 lines contrast ×1 craft ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Thor: Ragnarok → Thor. Ragnarok is called one of the five best Marvel movies, reached only after two bad Thor films.
    “one of the 5 best Marvel movies ever now is the Thor movie that came out 2 weeks ago.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:10:42 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)

Chris Hemsworth: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Thor → Chris Hemsworth. Marvel cast up-and-comers like Hemsworth who grew with the franchise.
    “Chris Helmsworth knows, I'm going to be, you know, a household name because of this Thor role”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:13:16 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)

Daniel Craig: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Thor → Daniel Craig. Before Hemsworth, Daniel Craig was offered the part of Thor and turned it down.
    “Daniel Craig is offered the role.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:27:17 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Don Payne: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Thor → Don Payne. Comedy writer Payne came from The Simpsons and wrote Fantastic Four 2 and My Super Ex-Girlfriend before Marvel brought him in to make Thor funny.
    “he was big into this, like, I know how to make Thor funny, so that'll be more approachable.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:39:00 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Thor → E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial. For Selvig, Thor is proof of aliens, his own E.T., and the reason he will not let go of him.
    “Thor is like his ET.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:07:56 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald → Thor. Joanna argued Grindelwald should be played with Loki's charm and magnetism rather than Depp's rat-like pallor.
    “Loki is what Grindelwelch should be.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:42:42 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)

Fast Five: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Thor → Fast Five. Thor's opening was the Memorial Day-season release, with Fast Five as the number two film in its 2nd weekend.
    “Number 2 is one of the best movies of this year.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:50:54 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Foo Fighters: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Thor → Foo Fighters. Branagh dropped in the Foo Fighters song Walk at the last minute because its lyrics were about learning to walk again, like Thor.
    “Brana thought the lyrics were appropriate because it's about learning to walk again, much like Thor is learning to be a superhero.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:49:38 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)

Ghost Rider: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Thor → Ghost Rider. Marvel heroes outside Spider-Man, X-Men, and Fantastic Four lack good villains; Thor has Loki, Ghost Rider's foes are Satan-adjacent like Thor's mythology ones.
    “the thing with the Ghost Rider is it like sort of uses like satanic mythology in the same way that this uses Greek mythology.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:21:53 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)

Guillermo del Toro: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Thor → Guillermo del Toro. Del Toro was attached post-Pan's Labyrinth but left for The Hobbit, which he also did not make.
    “Guillermo del Toro is brought in.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:26:18 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

How the Grinch Stole Christmas: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Thor → How the Grinch Stole Christmas. The Dutch angles in Thor are likened to Ron Howard's Grinch for excess tilt.
    “Ron Howard Grinch levels of just like.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:02:45 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)

Ike Perlmutter: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Thor → Ike Perlmutter. Perlmutter kept early Marvel budgets low, so these movies lack grandeur and the Jotunheim CG looks poor.
    “Ike Pearlmutter is keeping the budgets pretty low, so these movies just don't have the grandeur”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:20:23 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Iron Man: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Iron Man → Thor. The hosts preview the next trio: Thor, Captain America, Avengers; one hates Thor.
    “So what our next three is going to be Thor, Captain America, Avengers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:48:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

J. Michael Straczynski: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Thor → J. Michael Straczynski. The film borrows heavily from Straczynski's celebrated Thor run, including Thor spending time in the Midwest.
    “the celebrated Thor arc was J. Michael Stratinsky, which is this is borrowing from heavily.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:08:28 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

John Wick: Chapter 3 – Parabellum: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (tone contrast): John Wick: Chapter 3 – Parabellum → Thor. Gun fetishism in Thor's ending bothers Griffin, but John Wick's cartoonish violence does not.
    “Gun fetishy stuff, I just get really uncomfortable, right?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind with Lulu Wang · 1:50:07 · Griffin Newman (0.55 sure it was them)

Justice League: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Justice League → Thor. Justice League must make Cyborg, Aquaman, and the Flash into linchpins the way Thor and Captain America are.
    “They have to be the Thor, they have to be the Captain America.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:33:16 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Natalie Portman: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Thor → Natalie Portman. Portman had director approval and a multi-film contract but did not want to do more, so Marvel stopped forcing her.
    “she got director approval over these movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:28:08 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Patrick Doyle: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Patrick Doyle → Thor. Doyle's score is judged serviceable big orchestral work but not a strong score.
    “I also think that the music, little anonymous, Patrick Doyle, but you know, Doyle will give you a serviceable sort of big orchestral stuff.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:47:28 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Red Dawn: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Thor → Red Dawn. Hemsworth was nearly unknown, with leads in two shelved films, Cabin in the Woods and Red Dawn, plus Star Trek.
    “Red Dawn had been shelved.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:09:49 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Stan Lee: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Thor → Stan Lee. The Donald Blake identity came from Stan Lee's 60s devotion to the secret-identity trope; the movie keeps it only as a fake ID gag.
    “in the 60s, Stanley was a little slavishly devoted to like the classic superhero comic trope, so you needed a secret identity”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:08:08 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Stuart Townsend: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Stuart Townsend → Thor. Stuart Townsend was cast as Fandral then fired for showing up five hours late to a costume fitting.
    “And he showed up 5 hours late to a costume fitting.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:58:47 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

The Lion King (2019 trailer): 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Thor → The Lion King (2019 trailer). The argument over Thor's desaturated palette turns into an argument over how bad the Lion King trailer's color looks.
    “The color is so bad in that trailer.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:29:24 · Ben Hosley (0.45 sure it was them)

The Lord of the Rings: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Thor → The Lord of the Rings. Studios expected a Thor movie would have to be a serious sub-Lord of the Rings; post-LOTR C-list fantasy launches had been failing.
    “anytime Post-Lord of the Rings, anyone was trying to launch a C-list, B-list, Lord of the Rings style fantasy thing.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:58:16 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)

Tom Hiddleston: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Tom Hiddleston → Thor. Notes Loki's first-film look/context; Ben hasn't seen Thor or Cap in the lineup, which is why they watched them today.
    “We've recorded these 3 episodes, Thor, America, and Avengers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:06:07 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (4)

  1. career (career): Thor → Chris Hemsworth. Marvel cast up-and-comers like Hemsworth who grew with the franchise.
    “Chris Helmsworth knows, I'm going to be, you know, a household name because of this Thor role”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:13:16 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Thor → Red Dawn. Hemsworth was nearly unknown, with leads in two shelved films, Cabin in the Woods and Red Dawn, plus Star Trek.
    “Red Dawn had been shelved.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:09:49 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. career (career): Thor → Don Payne. Comedy writer Payne came from The Simpsons and wrote Fantastic Four 2 and My Super Ex-Girlfriend before Marvel brought him in to make Thor funny.
    “he was big into this, like, I know how to make Thor funny, so that'll be more approachable.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:39:00 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  4. career (career): Thor → The Avengers. Loki's Thor performance is a Shakespearean tragedy turn; the charm and menace arrive in Avengers.
    “He's kind of doing like, like, you see, Branaugh cast him to bring the gravitas, and he's kind of giving mostly an emotional performance.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:43:03 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

contrast (6)

  1. contrast (tone contrast): John Wick: Chapter 3 – Parabellum → Thor. Gun fetishism in Thor's ending bothers Griffin, but John Wick's cartoonish violence does not.
    “Gun fetishy stuff, I just get really uncomfortable, right?”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind with Lulu Wang · 1:50:07 · Griffin Newman (0.55 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Thor: Ragnarok → Thor. Ragnarok is called one of the five best Marvel movies, reached only after two bad Thor films.
    “one of the 5 best Marvel movies ever now is the Thor movie that came out 2 weeks ago.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:10:42 · Jason Concepcion (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): The Avengers → Thor. A far better movie than Thor; Thor is more fun beside other characters.
    “This is a better movie than Thor? Much better.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:49:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. contrast (contrast): Thor → The Lion King (2019 trailer). The argument over Thor's desaturated palette turns into an argument over how bad the Lion King trailer's color looks.
    “The color is so bad in that trailer.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:29:24 · Ben Hosley (0.45 sure it was them)
  5. contrast (contrast): Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald → Thor. Joanna argued Grindelwald should be played with Loki's charm and magnetism rather than Depp's rat-like pallor.
    “Loki is what Grindelwelch should be.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:42:42 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)
  6. contrast (contrast): Thor → Black Panther. Black Panther gives every ensemble member an inner life and a plot function; Thor's side characters like Volstagg and Sif do little.
    “every single character has their own personality, their own internal conflict, but has like a very important plot function as well.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:47:38 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

craft (9)

  1. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Thor. The Dark World goes further in both directions on design (older looks plus more tech) while Branagh's Thor split the difference in a murky middle.
    “I think, like, Branagh is splitting the difference too hard and staying in a weird murky middle ground.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:18:52 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Thor → Thor: Ragnarok. The first Thor looks too clean; Ragnarok overcorrects to cartoony comic splash page; the Dark World's polished gold sits between.
    “the 1st one is just too clean.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:39:22 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): The Avengers → Thor. Jumping-out-of-planes shots are a Marvel habit they have been counting (about six).
    “We've been keeping count. There are like 6 of them.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:45:47 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Thor. Both Marvel origin films avoid dropping the audience straight into a stylized world and open on a grounded genre set-up.
    “This is the exact same structural thing as Thor, where it's like, let's not drop people into crazy stylized world.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:10:16 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): Thor → How the Grinch Stole Christmas. The Dutch angles in Thor are likened to Ron Howard's Grinch for excess tilt.
    “Ron Howard Grinch levels of just like.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:02:45 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): Thor → Kenneth Branagh. Branagh built action with no spatial coherence, cut in a seesaw, and canted every angle.
    “Kenneth McRanaugh constructing big action set pieces with no spatial coherence.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:20:43 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  7. craft (craft): Thor → Iron Man 2. Both force S.H.I.E.L.D. world-building into the plot; Iron Man 2 does it worse, and Captain America saves it for the end.
    “Iron Man 2 has it worse than this, but this and Iron Man 2 have that right where they're sort of like, PS, like, Hawkeye's coming.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:48:53 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  8. craft (craft): Patrick Doyle → Thor. Doyle's score is judged serviceable big orchestral work but not a strong score.
    “I also think that the music, little anonymous, Patrick Doyle, but you know, Doyle will give you a serviceable sort of big orchestral stuff.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:47:28 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  9. craft (craft): Thor → Foo Fighters. Branagh dropped in the Foo Fighters song Walk at the last minute because its lyrics were about learning to walk again, like Thor.
    “Brana thought the lyrics were appropriate because it's about learning to walk again, much like Thor is learning to be a superhero.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:49:38 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)

industry (8)

  1. industry (industry): Thor: The Dark World → Thor. Dark World opened to 85 million, up from 65 for the first Thor, but is the lowest grossing sequel in the MCU.
    “It's also the lowest grossing sequel in the MCU.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:26:54 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Stuart Townsend → Thor. Stuart Townsend was cast as Fandral then fired for showing up five hours late to a costume fitting.
    “And he showed up 5 hours late to a costume fitting.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:58:47 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Thor → Kenneth Branagh. Marvel hired Branagh for Shakespearean gravitas to signal seriousness, then handed him a goofball script.
    “let's hire Kenneth Brown out to show people were making a serious movie because he's a Shakespearean guy”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:03:43 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): Thor → Ike Perlmutter. Perlmutter kept early Marvel budgets low, so these movies lack grandeur and the Jotunheim CG looks poor.
    “Ike Pearlmutter is keeping the budgets pretty low, so these movies just don't have the grandeur”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:20:23 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. industry (industry): Thor → Black Panther. Thor shot on a real New Mexico location; later Marvel films like Black Panther are made in Atlanta lots for tax rebates and secrecy, hurting how they look.
    “a lot of it looks ugly because they were so committed to filming it in like a fucking Atlanta parking lot.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:45:46 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. industry (industry): Thor → The Lord of the Rings. Studios expected a Thor movie would have to be a serious sub-Lord of the Rings; post-LOTR C-list fantasy launches had been failing.
    “anytime Post-Lord of the Rings, anyone was trying to launch a C-list, B-list, Lord of the Rings style fantasy thing.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:58:16 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)
  7. industry (industry): Thor → Natalie Portman. Portman had director approval and a multi-film contract but did not want to do more, so Marvel stopped forcing her.
    “she got director approval over these movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:28:08 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. industry (industry): Iron Man 2 → Thor. Nick Fury is shoehorned in here, but Hawkeye in Thor is called the worst of this kind of universe-building cameo.
    “I would still argue that Hawkeye and the Crow's Nest in Thor is the worst example of it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:12:42 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

lineage (7)

  1. lineage (lineage): Thor → Masters of the Universe. Thor is described as essentially a remake of the live-action Masters of the Universe.
    “It's mostly just a remake of the live action masters of the universe movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:03:54 · Griffin Newman (0.65 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Thor → Masters of the Universe. Both banish a hero from his heightened mythic world into a mundane Earth town and play it for fish-out-of-water jokes.
    “And you place the one character who belongs in this heightened sci-fi world in the middle of like, you know, the Southwest.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:04:40 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): Thor → The Avengers. The Ultimates reimagined Thor as a possible revolutionary claiming to be a god, versus the film's real Thor.
    “in the ultimates, Mark Miller's take is like Thor is sort of like this revolutionary guy who claims he's a god”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:05:58 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage): Thor → Stan Lee. The Donald Blake identity came from Stan Lee's 60s devotion to the secret-identity trope; the movie keeps it only as a fake ID gag.
    “in the 60s, Stanley was a little slavishly devoted to like the classic superhero comic trope, so you needed a secret identity”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:08:08 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. lineage (lineage): Thor → J. Michael Straczynski. The film borrows heavily from Straczynski's celebrated Thor run, including Thor spending time in the Midwest.
    “the celebrated Thor arc was J. Michael Stratinsky, which is this is borrowing from heavily.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:08:28 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. lineage (lineage): Thor → Masters of the Universe. Skeletor banishing He-Man to California mirrors Odin banishing Thor, down to the cartoon-to-film design translation and the large Coke gag.
    “They banish him to California, and then like, it's Courtney Cox and some other Californian teenager take them in.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:37:32 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)
  7. lineage (lineage): Thor → Masters of the Universe. Thor's coffee-mug throwing scene is likened to Gwildor failing to understand fried chicken in He-Man.
    “It's like the scene in He-Man where Gueldor doesn't get fried chicken.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:44:06 · Griffin Newman (0.60 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (people): Tom Hiddleston → Thor. Notes Loki's first-film look/context; Ben hasn't seen Thor or Cap in the lineup, which is why they watched them today.
    “We've recorded these 3 episodes, Thor, America, and Avengers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 0:06:07 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

programming (7)

  1. programming (programming): The Avengers → Thor. Thor was treated as a loss leader, a stepping stone to the Avengers.
    “Thor was treated as a loss leader, essentially.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:13:42 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): Justice League → Thor. Justice League must make Cyborg, Aquaman, and the Flash into linchpins the way Thor and Captain America are.
    “They have to be the Thor, they have to be the Captain America.”
    The Big Picture · The Past, Present, and Future of Superhero Movies | The Big Picture (Ep. 35) · 0:33:16 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. programming (programming): Captain America: The First Avenger → Thor. Cap opened to about 65 million like Thor, finished near 176 worldwide domestic and around 370 vs Thor's 450.
    “Cap opens pretty much exactly the same as Thor, 65.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:08:10 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  4. programming (programming): Thor → The Avengers. The Hawkeye cameo, with no interaction, made the speaker doubt the Avengers team-up would work.
    “The thing you want to see is how they talk and interact with each other.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:02:12 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)
  5. programming (programming): Thor → Fast Five. Thor's opening was the Memorial Day-season release, with Fast Five as the number two film in its 2nd weekend.
    “Number 2 is one of the best movies of this year.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:50:54 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. programming (programming): Iron Man 2 → Thor. Its post-credit scene is called the weakest, existing only to announce Thor's film, much like the Captain Marvel tag after Infinity War.
    “Because essentially it's just like Thor, Thor, will be the star of a new movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 2:07:38 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  7. programming (programming): Iron Man → Thor. The hosts preview the next trio: Thor, Captain America, Avengers; one hates Thor.
    “So what our next three is going to be Thor, Captain America, Avengers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:48:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

theme (2)

  1. theme (theme): Thor → E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial. For Selvig, Thor is proof of aliens, his own E.T., and the reason he will not let go of him.
    “Thor is like his ET.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:07:56 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Thor → Ghost Rider. Marvel heroes outside Spider-Man, X-Men, and Fantastic Four lack good villains; Thor has Loki, Ghost Rider's foes are Satan-adjacent like Thor's mythology ones.
    “the thing with the Ghost Rider is it like sort of uses like satanic mythology in the same way that this uses Greek mythology.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:21:53 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)

verdict (1)

  1. verdict (verdict): Thor: The Dark World → Thor. Dark World is the better brother movie; Thor's Thor-Loki rivalry feels underdeveloped.
    “Dark World is better. They tapped into the brother dynamic.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:39:18 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

what-if (4)

  1. what-if (what-if): Thor → Matthew Vaughn. Vaughn was hired after leaving X-Men and wanted Kevin McKidd, but exited in 2008.
    “He loved to quit movies because he exits in 2008.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:26:16 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): Thor → Guillermo del Toro. Del Toro was attached post-Pan's Labyrinth but left for The Hobbit, which he also did not make.
    “Guillermo del Toro is brought in.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:26:18 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  3. what-if (what-if): Thor → Daniel Craig. Before Hemsworth, Daniel Craig was offered the part of Thor and turned it down.
    “Daniel Craig is offered the role.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:27:17 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  4. what-if (what-if): Thor → Matthew Vaughn. Paramount had Thor in development with Matthew Vaughn attached at one point.
    “Matthew Vaughn was supposed to make it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:14:13 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Thor: See the scene where Thor and Hogun are in the Asgard bar: a pug, roasts, laughter, Thor in a little cap.
    “They got a little pug.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:27:43 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Thor: See the opening Thor-throws-his-coffee-mug-on-the-ground scene; Ben calls it the best part of the movie.
    “He throws his coffee on the ground.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:01:51 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Thor: The hosts open on how every cut in the lab scene swings the camera 45 degrees the opposite way, a literal seesaw; Branagh's one idea is the tilted world, and they keep returning to the Dutch angles throughout.
    “Isn't this crazy, though, that every time they cut, the camera is 45 degrees in the opposite angle of the previous...”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:03:17 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Thor: Hemsworth's dyed eyebrows in Thor are Kevin Feige's biggest regret in the whole MCU; watch Thor in Asgard where he almost looks to have none.
    “Do you know that Kevin Feige said his, what his number one biggest regret in the entire Marvel cinematic universe is?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:14:42 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Thor: Loki's hand turns blue on touching the Frost Giant king's forearm in the Jotunheim fight; the hosts note the film forgets it and later reveals he is a Frost Giant.
    “one of the blue guys, the king, touched Loki's forearm, and then Loki's hand turned blue, and they don't know why.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:24:56 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Thor: Thor's development hell: Raimi, a UPN TV show, Sony and Goyer, Paramount, Vaughn, del Toro, DJ Caruso, Daniel Craig offered it before Hemsworth took it.
    “Then, as we all know, DJ Caruso is hired.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:26:36 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about Thor: Mjolnir is cast as Excalibur: the lifting-the-sword-from-the-stone scene is the hammer in the New Mexico crater that nobody is worthy to move.
    “So, you know, the hammer becomes like Excalibur.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:37:54 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)
  8. fun, about Thor: The hammer lab scene: SHIELD builds a lab around the unliftable Mjolnir and the hosts adore Jasper Sitwell showing up here five movies before his turn.
    “Hammer lab.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:56:02 · Ben Hosley (0.40 sure it was them)
  9. fun, about Thor: See the Hawkeye cameo: Jeremy Renner perched in a crow's nest deliberating whether to shoot Thor, never speaking to him, clearly shot on a day no one else worked.
    “Isn't it just clear that Renner came in on a day when no one else was working?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:00:04 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  10. fun, about Thor: See the scene where Thor finally gets Mjolnir back: the hosts shout over the Patrick Doyle score and say the transformation is the film's biggest success.
    “I will say, I think that is the biggest success of this movie is they do sell you on the importance of the hammer.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:29:29 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  11. fun, about Thor: Natalie Portman and Hemsworth kiss at an impossible height, with her seeming to stand on 17 ladders; the hosts wish for the wide shot or a canted angle with Hemsworth bending 90 degrees.
    “Allie Portman is standing on 17 ladders.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:33:51 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  12. fun, about Thor: Rene Russo gets one moment with a big sword and almost no lines as Frigga; Dark World gives her more.
    “She doesn't have much to do in this.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:34:35 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)
  13. fun, about Thor: See the scene where Thor flies by holding on to the thrown hammer; the speaker loves that the hammer does the flying and Thor grabs on.
    “I like how Thor flies with his... The hammer is what's flying.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:34:42 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  14. fun, about Thor: Loki's illusion trick works in the Frost Giants fight; the hosts see the fake Loki, praise it, and grumble it plays worse in green screen CGI goopland.
    “I think that type of effect doesn't play as well when they're in just like green screen CGI Goopland.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:39:38 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  15. fun, about Thor: Thor smashes the Bifrost to cut off the Frost Giants; the hosts say the comics have a literal rainbow while the film makes a prismatic Tron light-cycle runway.
    “they just try to make it like a weird, like, sort of glassy Tron light cycle runway that's a little prismatic”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:41:33 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  16. fun, about Thor: Watch the end-credits stinger: Selvig with Fury and the Tesseract, a scene Whedon wrote and directed; Branagh reportedly claimed not to have seen it.
    “Right, because Bran was like, I haven't seen this scene.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:55:57 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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