Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)

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Wikidata Q275120, film, IMDb tt0458339, TMDB 1771: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the only film by that title; 6 more episodes agree.

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In the store as #506, Captain America: The First Avenger (2011).

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Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Aliens: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. craft (craft): Aliens ⇒ Captain America: The First Avenger (the host's read). The frozen-find cold open structurally echoes the discovery sequence that opens Aliens.
    “this is also actually very similar to is the opening of aliens.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:10:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Iron Man 2: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Iron Man 2 ⇒ Captain America: The First Avenger (the host's read). The Stark Expo of the 1940s is the origin of the Expo seen in Iron Man 2, now as the full World's Fair version.
    “Like what we see in Iron Man 2, but now it's like the full like 40s World Fair version.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:19:47 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Truth: Red, White & Black (comic): 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Truth: Red, White & Black (comic) ⇒ Captain America: The First Avenger (the host's read). The one-off serum process loosely connects to the Truth miniseries retcon about earlier black experimentees.
    “Truth is a book that essentially theorizes that there was like a Tuskegee airman.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:47:45 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Black Panther: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger ⇒ Black Panther (the host's read). Vibranium, the shield metal, leads to Wakanda; adamantium is the X-Men analogue the MCU couldn't use.
    “So instead they use vibranium as their super metal.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:27:32 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Captain America: The Winter Soldier: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger ⇒ Captain America: The Winter Soldier (the host's read). Zola surviving and joining the other side is the seed for Winter Soldier.
    “Because you need Zola to join the other side.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:34:27 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Captain Marvel: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). The film goes back to the Steve Rogers style of origin story.
    “here's how Steve Rogers became a super soldier style of storytelling.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:03:27 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)

Chris Pratt: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. industry (industry): Captain America: The First Avenger ⇒ Chris Pratt (the host's read). The beefcake shot of Pratt echoes Chris Evans out of the tank, and Marvel now puts one in every trailer.
    “It's Chris Evans coming out of the tank, Captain America.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Guardians of the Galaxy · 0:37:48 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Connected to

Captain America: The Winter Soldier: 5 lines contrast ×3 lineage ×1 craft ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Captain America: The First Avenger. The first film is stylized like an old serial; this one is a grounded Washington thriller.
    “And the 1st Captain America is so heightened and stylized because it's doing the old cereal thing.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:04:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Iron Man: 3 lines verdict ×2 industry ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Captain America: The First Avenger → Iron Man. Cap is ranked above all other Phase One films except Iron Man, which is more consistent.
    “I like this the most of all the phase one Marvel movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:03:28 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

The Rocketeer: 3 lines lineage ×2 career ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → The Rocketeer. Johnston was hired on the strength of The Rocketeer, which shares the period, beautiful-period-vibe sensibility.
    “Joe Johnson's the guy who directed the Rockets here.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:13:53 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)

Captain Marvel: 2 lines lineage ×1 theme ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain Marvel → Captain America: The First Avenger. The film goes back to the Steve Rogers style of origin story.
    “here's how Steve Rogers became a super soldier style of storytelling.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:03:27 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)

Iron Man 2: 2 lines lineage ×1 craft ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → Iron Man 2. The Stark Expo of the 1940s is the origin of the Expo seen in Iron Man 2, now as the full World's Fair version.
    “Like what we see in Iron Man 2, but now it's like the full like 40s World Fair version.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:19:47 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Joe Johnston: 2 lines craft ×1 verdict ×1

  1. craft (craft): Joe Johnston → Captain America: The First Avenger. Johnston is a Disney guy, so the 40s-to-60s retro-futurism (flying car, Expo) suits him.
    “Johnston is such a Disney guy.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:21:29 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Joss Whedon: 2 lines people ×1 industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Joss Whedon → Captain America: The First Avenger. Whedon, signed to Avengers, did a serious rewrite, and the weakness of the back half is blamed on his leaving after only half the script.
    “I believe it literally is that they gave Whedon the script to rewrite and he was like, I only got halfway through it before I had to go jump to Avengers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:40:09 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow: 2 lines craft ×1 contrast ×1

  1. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. The film's design is only about 10 percent heightened, stopping short of Sky Captain kitsch.
    “Like, it could be Sky Captain.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:43:02 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

The Avengers: 2 lines contrast ×1 industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Captain America: The First Avenger → The Avengers. This one-off 40s period film was the last step before Avengers, with the production rushed to make the deadline.
    “The film started production very late. It had a very rush production because they had to make this deadline.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:23:29 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Thor: 2 lines craft ×1 programming ×1

  1. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Thor. Both Marvel origin films avoid dropping the audience straight into a stylized world and open on a grounded genre set-up.
    “This is the exact same structural thing as Thor, where it's like, let's not drop people into crazy stylized world.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:10:16 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Tommy Lee Jones: 2 lines career ×1 theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Tommy Lee Jones → Captain America: The First Avenger. His brand is being grumpy, so he works whether he is engaged or phoning it in.
    “And if he hates the movie he's in, then he's actually just doing that.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:35:24 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Aliens: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Aliens. The frozen-find cold open structurally echoes the discovery sequence that opens Aliens.
    “this is also actually very similar to is the opening of aliens.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:10:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Behind the Candelabra: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Behind the Candelabra. Erskine walking in on the unmasked Red Skull... actually Toby Jones's Zola reaction, as when Matt Damon walks in on Liberace without his toupee.
    “this feels like the scene in, uh, behind the candelabra where Matt Damon walks in on Liberace without his toupee.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:36:53 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)

Black Panther: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → Black Panther. Vibranium, the shield metal, leads to Wakanda; adamantium is the X-Men analogue the MCU couldn't use.
    “So instead they use vibranium as their super metal.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:27:32 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Chris Pratt: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Chris Pratt → Captain America: The First Avenger. The beefcake shot of Pratt echoes Chris Evans out of the tank, and Marvel now puts one in every trailer.
    “It's Chris Evans coming out of the tank, Captain America.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Guardians of the Galaxy · 0:37:48 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Doctor Strange: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Captain America: The First Avenger → Doctor Strange. Cap's Brooklyn move parallels Strange's East Village, updated for real estate realism by the time of the movie.
    “Because like Dr. Strange is supposed to live in the East Village”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:27:50 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Emily Blunt: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Emily Blunt → Captain America: The First Avenger. Marvel wanted a big rising British name for Peggy, first Emily Blunt and Keira Knightley, since the Steve actor seemed likely to be unknown.
    “This was another one where it was like, they really wanted Emily Blunt to do it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:01:11 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Fantastic Four (Chris Evans films): 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Captain America: The First Avenger → Fantastic Four (Chris Evans films). A Fantastic Four idea, the government using heroes as a PR tool, is exactly the war-bond mascot story here.
    “And I like the idea of making a movie that's about like the government being like, we need you to go out there and like fight monsters because it'll like help morale.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:05:18 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Guardians of the Galaxy: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Guardians of the Galaxy → Captain America: The First Avenger. It is the first Marvel origin movie since Captain America, after a run of sequels and Avengers-world films.
    “This is the 1st Marvel origin movie since what, Captain America?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Guardians of the Galaxy · 0:15:22 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Captain America: The First Avenger → Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2. In the 2011 box-office ranking Cap is number one and Deathly Hallows Part 2 is number two.
    “Oh, oh, it's Deathly Hollis part two.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:09:10 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Hugo Weaving: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Hugo Weaving → Captain America: The First Avenger. Weaving hated the Red Skull makeup, so Marvel never asked him back even for a CGI cameo.
    “And for him, it really boiled down to he hated the makeup.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War with John Hodgman · 1:48:21 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. The big musical number in an action movie feels like Last Crusade, then is corrected to Temple of Doom.
    “It's part of this movie feeling very last crusade to me.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:59:19 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. The correction: the Indiana Jones film with the musical number is Temple of Doom.
    “Although the one with the musical number is Temple of Doom.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:59:24 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

John Krasinski: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): John Krasinski → Captain America: The First Avenger. Krasinski was nearly cast as Cap; Marvel leaked it, fans made gym memes, and Evans was the Hail Mary.
    “The guy who was really close to getting it, John Krasinski”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:23:43 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Matt Hatch: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Captain America: The First Avenger → Matt Hatch. A past guest argues this is the best Marvel movie; the hosts think it's the most individual in tone and look.
    “has continues to argue that this is the best Marvel movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:06:14 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)

Revenge of the Nerds: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Captain America: The First Avenger → Revenge of the Nerds. The 1980s Captain America TV movie starred Matt Salinger, who was a brutish rival in Revenge of the Nerds.
    “Who was the Jock and Revenge of the Nerds?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:11:52 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Rick Heinrichs: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Rick Heinrichs → Captain America: The First Avenger. The hosts credit Heinrichs's production design with the film's heightened look and its own visual power.
    “Yeah. Well, I do think, as you were saying, the design elements here are a little better. Rick Heinrich's, I think, directed this. And it's got a heightened, look, it's got its own visual power.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:26:12 · Griffin Newman or David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Snowpiercer: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The First Avenger → Snowpiercer. The Nazi train is Snowpiercer-esque, and Evans is joked to have wanted to keep it for the snow.
    “And I mean, this sort of Snowpiercer-esque.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:31:27 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Spider-Man (Marvel character): 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Captain America: The First Avenger → Spider-Man (Marvel character). Because it is a movie about little guys, Captain America lands for the speaker as Spider-Man in a big body.
    “He's just Spider-Man and a big old body.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:37:34 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Stanley Tucci: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Captain America: The First Avenger → Stanley Tucci. Tucci lifts the film and his writing sets up the theme of the movie.
    “because he single-handedly elevates this film 25%.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:22:22 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Suicide Squad: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Suicide Squad. Eating on screen shows pro actors; Viola Davis's steak in Suicide Squad is the best thing in that movie.
    “You remember how well Viola Davis ate that steak in Suicide Squad?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:36:05 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

The Curious Case of Benjamin Button: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. The skinny-Steve effect arrived only a couple of years after Benjamin Button, which did the head-swap effectively.
    “And this is only a couple years after Benjamin Button when they did that so effectively.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:17:06 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Thor: Ragnarok: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Captain America: The First Avenger → Thor: Ragnarok. Ben's MCU crush pick is guessed as Nebula, and Tessa Thompson's Valkyrie in Ragnarok as his speed.
    “Tessa Thompson and Ragnarok is sort of your speed, you know?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:24:14 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Transformers: Dark of the Moon: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Captain America: The First Avenger → Transformers: Dark of the Moon. Cap was released July 22 instead of July 4th because Transformers 3 owned that date and nobody would go near it.
    “The July 4th movie was Transformers 3.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:08:02 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Truth: Red, White & Black (comic): 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → Truth: Red, White & Black (comic). The one-off serum process loosely connects to the Truth miniseries retcon about earlier black experimentees.
    “Truth is a book that essentially theorizes that there was like a Tuskegee airman.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:47:45 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (3)

  1. career (career): Hugo Weaving → Captain America: The First Avenger. Weaving hated the Red Skull makeup, so Marvel never asked him back even for a CGI cameo.
    “And for him, it really boiled down to he hated the makeup.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War with John Hodgman · 1:48:21 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Captain America: The First Avenger → The Rocketeer. The movie was a comeback for Johnston after The Wolfman and is essentially what he wanted The Rocketeer to be, with the culture now caught up.
    “This is basically what you wanted to do with the rocketeer.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:50:42 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. career (career): Tommy Lee Jones → Captain America: The First Avenger. Jones said in a promo interview that this is the gruff-captain part he has played 25 times, yet he is never boring.
    “It's the part you've seen me play 25 times.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:02:57 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

contrast (6)

  1. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Captain America: The First Avenger. The first film is stylized like an old serial; this one is a grounded Washington thriller.
    “And the 1st Captain America is so heightened and stylized because it's doing the old cereal thing.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:04:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Captain America: The First Avenger. The Helicarrier finale in the old suit feels like the first film's underwhelming finale.
    “I mean, the 1st Captain America certainly does have an underwhelming finale.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:58:08 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The First Avenger → The Avengers. The Ultimates comic made Cap a fascist and Thor a hippie; Marvel refused to do that, keeping the Golden and Silver Age versions.
    “And Captain America is this like fascist.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:09:47 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The First Avenger → Snowpiercer. The Nazi train is Snowpiercer-esque, and Evans is joked to have wanted to keep it for the snow.
    “And I mean, this sort of Snowpiercer-esque.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:31:27 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The First Avenger → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The later films went gritty government paranoia, but this film's square-jawed hero is a good template, which also suggests a Superman film.
    “they should be able to pull off, like, a good Superman film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:54:36 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  6. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The First Avenger → Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. The film avoids going all the way to Sky Captain-style kitsch while keeping a square-jawed hero.
    “There's like a real square jawed hero kind of thing in this that doesn't go all the way to like, as you said, Sky Captain Kitch.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:00:00 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

craft (10)

  1. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Thor. Both Marvel origin films avoid dropping the audience straight into a stylized world and open on a grounded genre set-up.
    “This is the exact same structural thing as Thor, where it's like, let's not drop people into crazy stylized world.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:10:16 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Aliens. The frozen-find cold open structurally echoes the discovery sequence that opens Aliens.
    “this is also actually very similar to is the opening of aliens.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:10:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. The skinny-Steve effect arrived only a couple of years after Benjamin Button, which did the head-swap effectively.
    “And this is only a couple years after Benjamin Button when they did that so effectively.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:17:06 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): Joe Johnston → Captain America: The First Avenger. Johnston is a Disney guy, so the 40s-to-60s retro-futurism (flying car, Expo) suits him.
    “Johnston is such a Disney guy.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:21:29 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): Rick Heinrichs → Captain America: The First Avenger. The hosts credit Heinrichs's production design with the film's heightened look and its own visual power.
    “Yeah. Well, I do think, as you were saying, the design elements here are a little better. Rick Heinrich's, I think, directed this. And it's got a heightened, look, it's got its own visual power.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:26:12 · Griffin Newman or David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Behind the Candelabra. Erskine walking in on the unmasked Red Skull... actually Toby Jones's Zola reaction, as when Matt Damon walks in on Liberace without his toupee.
    “this feels like the scene in, uh, behind the candelabra where Matt Damon walks in on Liberace without his toupee.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:36:53 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)
  7. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. The film's design is only about 10 percent heightened, stopping short of Sky Captain kitsch.
    “Like, it could be Sky Captain.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:43:02 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Suicide Squad. Eating on screen shows pro actors; Viola Davis's steak in Suicide Squad is the best thing in that movie.
    “You remember how well Viola Davis ate that steak in Suicide Squad?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:36:05 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  9. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The suit returns in Winter Soldier with better tailoring and layers.
    “I just think when they bring the classic suit back in Winter Soldier, it's a better tailoring.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:41:14 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  10. craft (craft): Iron Man 2 → Captain America: The First Avenger. The shield-on-the-desk and Thor hammer tags are called ham-fisted universe building.
    “I just feel very ham fisted.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 2 · 1:25:25 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

industry (5)

  1. industry (industry): Guardians of the Galaxy → Captain America: The First Avenger. It is the first Marvel origin movie since Captain America, after a run of sequels and Avengers-world films.
    “This is the 1st Marvel origin movie since what, Captain America?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Guardians of the Galaxy · 0:15:22 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Chris Pratt → Captain America: The First Avenger. The beefcake shot of Pratt echoes Chris Evans out of the tank, and Marvel now puts one in every trailer.
    “It's Chris Evans coming out of the tank, Captain America.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Guardians of the Galaxy · 0:37:48 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Captain America: The First Avenger → The Avengers. This one-off 40s period film was the last step before Avengers, with the production rushed to make the deadline.
    “The film started production very late. It had a very rush production because they had to make this deadline.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:23:29 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): Joss Whedon → Captain America: The First Avenger. Whedon, signed to Avengers, did a serious rewrite, and the weakness of the back half is blamed on his leaving after only half the script.
    “I believe it literally is that they gave Whedon the script to rewrite and he was like, I only got halfway through it before I had to go jump to Avengers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:40:09 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. industry (industry): Iron Man → Captain America: The First Avenger. Marvel put up character rights (Iron Man, Captain America, Thor) as collateral for a $1B Merrill Lynch loan to self-finance.
    “And what they put up as collateral was the rights to the characters.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:19:54 · unknown (Griffin or David) (0.30 sure it was them)

lineage (9)

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain Marvel → Captain America: The First Avenger. The film goes back to the Steve Rogers style of origin story.
    “here's how Steve Rogers became a super soldier style of storytelling.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:03:27 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → The Rocketeer. Johnston was hired on the strength of The Rocketeer, which shares the period, beautiful-period-vibe sensibility.
    “Joe Johnson's the guy who directed the Rockets here.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:13:53 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → Iron Man 2. The Stark Expo of the 1940s is the origin of the Expo seen in Iron Man 2, now as the full World's Fair version.
    “Like what we see in Iron Man 2, but now it's like the full like 40s World Fair version.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:19:47 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → Truth: Red, White & Black (comic). The one-off serum process loosely connects to the Truth miniseries retcon about earlier black experimentees.
    “Truth is a book that essentially theorizes that there was like a Tuskegee airman.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:47:45 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  5. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → The Rocketeer. A real period home interior and a Nazi-chase beat read as very Rocketeer.
    “It's very rocketeer.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:50:23 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. The big musical number in an action movie feels like Last Crusade, then is corrected to Temple of Doom.
    “It's part of this movie feeling very last crusade to me.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:59:19 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  7. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. The correction: the Indiana Jones film with the musical number is Temple of Doom.
    “Although the one with the musical number is Temple of Doom.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:59:24 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  8. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → Black Panther. Vibranium, the shield metal, leads to Wakanda; adamantium is the X-Men analogue the MCU couldn't use.
    “So instead they use vibranium as their super metal.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:27:32 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  9. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Zola surviving and joining the other side is the seed for Winter Soldier.
    “Because you need Zola to join the other side.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:34:27 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

people (4)

  1. people (people): Captain America: The First Avenger → Revenge of the Nerds. The 1980s Captain America TV movie starred Matt Salinger, who was a brutish rival in Revenge of the Nerds.
    “Who was the Jock and Revenge of the Nerds?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:11:52 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. people (people): Captain America: The First Avenger → Stanley Tucci. Tucci lifts the film and his writing sets up the theme of the movie.
    “because he single-handedly elevates this film 25%.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:22:22 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. people (people): Captain America: The First Avenger → Thor: Ragnarok. Ben's MCU crush pick is guessed as Nebula, and Tessa Thompson's Valkyrie in Ragnarok as his speed.
    “Tessa Thompson and Ragnarok is sort of your speed, you know?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:24:14 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. people (people): Captain America: The First Avenger → Joss Whedon. The line about Steve being unable to get drunk is attributed to Whedon.
    “And this is definitely a Weedon idea.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:38:33 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

programming (3)

  1. programming (programming): Captain America: The First Avenger → Transformers: Dark of the Moon. Cap was released July 22 instead of July 4th because Transformers 3 owned that date and nobody would go near it.
    “The July 4th movie was Transformers 3.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:08:02 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): Captain America: The First Avenger → Thor. Cap opened to about 65 million like Thor, finished near 176 worldwide domestic and around 370 vs Thor's 450.
    “Cap opens pretty much exactly the same as Thor, 65.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:08:10 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  3. programming (programming): Captain America: The First Avenger → Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2. In the 2011 box-office ranking Cap is number one and Deathly Hallows Part 2 is number two.
    “Oh, oh, it's Deathly Hollis part two.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:09:10 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

theme (5)

  1. theme (theme): Captain Marvel → Captain America: The First Avenger. Captain America's plucky do-gooder works because Chris Evans gets to be a good guy; Captain Marvel's girl-power messaging feels falsely applied by comparison.
    “when the movie is Captain America the 1st Avenger, and Steve Rogers is this plucky, patriotic do-gooder, we are like, huh, what a good guy.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:14:28 · Sean Fennessey (0.75 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Captain America: The First Avenger → Doctor Strange. Cap's Brooklyn move parallels Strange's East Village, updated for real estate realism by the time of the movie.
    “Because like Dr. Strange is supposed to live in the East Village”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:27:50 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. theme (theme): Captain America: The First Avenger → Spider-Man (Marvel character). Because it is a movie about little guys, Captain America lands for the speaker as Spider-Man in a big body.
    “He's just Spider-Man and a big old body.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:37:34 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. theme (theme): Captain America: The First Avenger → Fantastic Four (Chris Evans films). A Fantastic Four idea, the government using heroes as a PR tool, is exactly the war-bond mascot story here.
    “And I like the idea of making a movie that's about like the government being like, we need you to go out there and like fight monsters because it'll like help morale.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:05:18 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. theme (theme): Tommy Lee Jones → Captain America: The First Avenger. His brand is being grumpy, so he works whether he is engaged or phoning it in.
    “And if he hates the movie he's in, then he's actually just doing that.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:35:24 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

verdict (4)

  1. verdict (verdict): Captain America: The First Avenger → Iron Man. Cap is ranked above all other Phase One films except Iron Man, which is more consistent.
    “I like this the most of all the phase one Marvel movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:03:28 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): Captain America: The First Avenger → Iron Man. Iron Man is liked more but only just.
    “I think I like Iron Man more than this, but that's it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:03:35 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): Captain America: The First Avenger → Matt Hatch. A past guest argues this is the best Marvel movie; the hosts think it's the most individual in tone and look.
    “has continues to argue that this is the best Marvel movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 2:06:14 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)
  4. verdict (verdict): Captain America: The First Avenger → Joe Johnston. Great film but a generic final act, a shame since Johnston suits the material.
    “Which is genuinely too bad because Joe Johnson is so suited to it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:49:19 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

what-if (2)

  1. what-if (what-if): John Krasinski → Captain America: The First Avenger. Krasinski was nearly cast as Cap; Marvel leaked it, fans made gym memes, and Evans was the Hail Mary.
    “The guy who was really close to getting it, John Krasinski”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:23:43 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): Emily Blunt → Captain America: The First Avenger. Marvel wanted a big rising British name for Peggy, first Emily Blunt and Keira Knightley, since the Steve actor seemed likely to be unknown.
    “This was another one where it was like, they really wanted Emily Blunt to do it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:01:11 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

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