Marvel

Made films the shows talk about.

Counted as studio. The films the hosts said they were behind, which the two lists below run through too: 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968); Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017); Black Panther (2018); Captain Marvel (2019); Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022).

Draws on

What the speakers say they, or a film of theirs, drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Black Panther (2018): 2 lines, within their own work

  1. theme (ancestral plane parallel) · through Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022), which they were behind as studio: Black Panther ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read). Van explains that in the first film T'Challa saw his father on the ancestral plane because he had questions for him, while Shuri saw Killmonger because she wanted revenge, the same motive Killmonger had.
    “Shuri did not want to be the Black Panther to protect Wakanda.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:32:14 · Van Lathan (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (CGI weakness) · through Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022), which they were behind as studio: Black Panther ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read). The first film's video-game-looking CGI showdown is doubled down on in the sequel, with flying robots and an aircraft-carrier fight.
    “You know, it just kind of looked like a video game a little bit.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:46:42 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70 sure it was them)

Captain America: The First Avenger (2011): 2 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Captain Marvel (2019), which they were behind as studio: Captain America: The First Avenger ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). The film goes back to the Steve Rogers style of origin story.
    “here's how Steve Rogers became a super soldier style of storytelling.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:03:27 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage) · through Black Panther (2018), which they were behind as studio brand: Captain America: The First Avenger ⇒ Black Panther (the host's read). Vibranium, the shield metal, leads to Wakanda; adamantium is the X-Men analogue the MCU couldn't use.
    “So instead they use vibranium as their super metal.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:27:32 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Guardians of the Galaxy (2014): 2 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Captain Marvel (2019), which they were behind as studio: Guardians of the Galaxy ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). As a prequel, Captain Marvel brings back Guardians characters Ronan (Lee Pace) and Korath (Djimon Hounsou).
    “this is, of course, a prequel, so their characters appear in this film again.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:43:32 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft) · through Captain Marvel (2019), which they were behind as studio: Guardians of the Galaxy ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). The Flarkin cat in Captain Marvel is a version of the Drax metaphor joke, but this film's joke lands better thanks to the cut to his face.
    “And you know, you know, the cat in Captain Marvel is like a version of this joke.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Guardians of the Galaxy · 1:46:06 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Batman Forever (1995): 1 line

  1. craft (craft) · through Captain Marvel (2019), which they were behind as studio: Batman Forever ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). The prosthetic-ears-and-face-paint alien look recalls the trashy 1990s comic book movies, specifically Batman Forever.
    “It felt a little bit like Batman forever at times where I was like, that guy is definitely just wearing face paint.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:12:25 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70 sure it was them)

Captain America: Civil War (2016): 1 line

  1. theme (character introduction) · through Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022), which they were behind as studio: Captain America: Civil War ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read). Van says Black Panther was handled better in Civil War than in his own movie, and that Civil War served as his origin; Ironheart's introduction here does not land the same way.
    “Black Panther, to me, was portrayed better in Civil War than he was in the original Black Panther movie.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:09 · Van Lathan (0.85 sure it was them)

Iron Man 2 (2010): 1 line

  1. theme (character introduction) · through Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022), which they were behind as studio: Iron Man 2 ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read). Van says the MCU has introduced characters inside other movies before, like Black Widow in Iron Man 2.
    “Black Widow makes her a parent, her 1st appearance.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:37:22 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)

Pulp Fiction (1994): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Captain Marvel (2019), which they were behind as studio: Pulp Fiction ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). Samuel L. Jackson driving around mid-90s Los Angeles evokes Jules Winfield, a clever but surface 90s nod.
    “a Samuel L. Jackson character in the mid 90s driving around in a car in Los Angeles, a la Jules Winfield in Pulp Fiction.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:18:39 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)

The Avengers (2012): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Captain Marvel (2019), which they were behind as studio: The Avengers ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). The Tesseract, the glowing box, was a MacGuffin in the first Avengers and in Infinity War.
    “you may remember the Tesseract from the 1st Avengers film, and then, of course, the most recent Avengers film, Avengers Infinity War”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:09:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)

The Sentinel (short story): 1 line

  1. lineage (source story) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: The Sentinel (short story) ⇒ 2001: A Space Odyssey (the host's read). The film and companion novel drafted off Clarke's short story The Sentinel, which had the germ of the monolith idea.
    “So it's going off drafting off of the Sentinel.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:52:22 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Drawn on by

What the speakers say drew on them or a film of theirs, marked the same way.

2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984): 5 lines

  1. lineage (sequel) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). The film has a sequel, and Clarke wrote three sequel novels.
    “Obviously, the sequel exists.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:11:43 · Jordan Hoffman (0.70 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). 2010 tries to answer Kubrick's questions and is more loyal to Arthur C. Clarke's ideas.
    “it's much more... As I remember loyal to Arthur C. Clark's science fiction ideas”
    The Big Picture · ‘Gladiator II’ Is Here. Are We Not Entertained? · 1:26:18 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). 2010 was made because the novel sequel existed, a movie made just because they had to.
    “Because Arthur C. Clark had come out with a 2010 novel.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 2:54:20 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (sequel) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). 2010 is the sequel to 2001; the speaker's reaction to the Kubrick film is the benchmark throughout.
    “And I said, oh, you know, 2010, the sequel to 2001 and they were like, the what?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2010: The Year We Make Contact · 0:02:34 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. craft (borrowed music) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010: The Year We Make Contact (the host's read). The only thing 2010 borrows from 2001, apart from plotting, is the music, including the Zarathustra drop at the end.
    “Yeah, is the music.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2010: The Year We Make Contact · 0:07:40 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022): 2 lines, within their own work

  1. theme (ancestral plane parallel) · through Black Panther (2018), which they were behind as studio brand: Black Panther ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read). Van explains that in the first film T'Challa saw his father on the ancestral plane because he had questions for him, while Shuri saw Killmonger because she wanted revenge, the same motive Killmonger had.
    “Shuri did not want to be the Black Panther to protect Wakanda.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:32:14 · Van Lathan (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (CGI weakness) · through Black Panther (2018), which they were behind as studio brand: Black Panther ⇒ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (the host's read). The first film's video-game-looking CGI showdown is doubled down on in the sequel, with flying robots and an aircraft-carrier fight.
    “You know, it just kind of looked like a video game a little bit.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:46:42 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70 sure it was them)

Jack Kirby: 2 lines

  1. unmapped (led to Fourth World) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ Jack Kirby (the host's read). Kirby's Fourth World is said to come out of his 2001 work.
    “Yeah, and I think like 4th world essentially comes out of it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 2:12:31 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (comic adaptation) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ Jack Kirby (the host's read). Kirby's Marvel series began by adapting the movie in its first three issues, then went its own way.
    “Like, the 1st 3 issues are the movie... and he went bananas with it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 2:12:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Silent Running (1972): 2 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ Silent Running (the host's read). 2001 spawned heady, serious, clean sci-fi like Silent Running.
    “2001 leads to a spat of things like silent running, you know, these movies that are like very heady.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:12:45 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (wave of imitators) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ Silent Running (the host's read). After 2001 came a wave of slower sci-fi imitators, naming Silent Running and Capricorn One.
    “But it is funny, like after this, there's a wave of imitators, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:42:30 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

2010 (1984): 1 line

  1. lineage (sequel) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2010 (the host's read). Peter Hyams made a film sequel to 2001, following the books.
    “But, like, he rolled up his sleeves and he was like, 2001?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · A Clockwork Orange with Alex Ross Perry (Ad-Free) · 2:48:04 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

2069: A Sex Odyssey: 1 line

  1. lineage (influence) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ 2069: A Sex Odyssey (the host's read). The porn parody is said to be very influenced by 2001.
    “actually is actually very influenced by this film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:42:56 · Jordan Hoffman (0.30 sure it was them)

A Clockwork Orange (1971): 1 line

  1. unmapped (self-reference) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ A Clockwork Orange (the host's read). The record store scene shows the 2001 soundtrack, which the speakers read as Kubrick nodding at his own movie.
    “but he's kind of like being like, guys, I made that movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · A Clockwork Orange with Alex Ross Perry (Ad-Free) · 1:44:54 · Alex Ross Perry (0.50 sure it was them)

Ad Astra (2019): 1 line

  1. unmapped (cribbing) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ Ad Astra (the host's read). Ad Astra is called the one other film that feels realistic about space travel, and it cribs from 2001.
    “is cribbing from it so much where like the way at Astra depicts space travel”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 1:41:09 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Being There (1979): 1 line

  1. theme (theme reused) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ Being There (the host's read). Being There used a funky version of 2001's Zarathustra theme for its big moment.
    “they were going to play the also Sprack Zarathustra, but they did the funky version instead”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 1:37:23 · Jordan Hoffman (0.50 sure it was them)

David Fincher: 1 line

  1. unmapped (early commercial reference) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ David Fincher (the host's read). At 24 Fincher used a baby smoking, a 2001 reference, in an American Cancer Society ad.
    “a baby smoking a cigarette as a, as a, as a reference to 2001 is incredibly powerful iconography”
    The Big Picture · ‘The Killer’ Is Cold-Blooded Genius. And Something More · 1:17:15 · Adam Nayman (0.85 sure it was them)

Elvis Presley: 1 line

  1. craft (music borrowed) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ Elvis Presley (the host's read). Elvis took the Zarathustra overture from the film almost immediately and opened his concerts with it.
    “Almost immediately after the movie took this took the music.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 1:38:21 · Jordan Hoffman (0.40 sure it was them)

History of the World, Part I (1981): 1 line

  1. unmapped (parody) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ History of the World, Part I (the host's read). Monty Python and History of the World Part I did 2001 parodies.
    “they did 2001 of Space Odyssey parodies. History of the World Part one.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 0:28:00 · Jordan Hoffman (0.60 sure it was them)

Ironheart (2025): 1 line

  1. unmapped (backdoor pilot) · through Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022), which they were behind as studio: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever ⇒ Ironheart (the host's read). Amanda feels the Riri Williams plot turns the movie into a backdoor pilot for the Ironheart show, which weighs down an already crowded film.
    “the movie also simultaneously kind of becomes like a backdoor pilot for the Ironheart TV show.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 0:35:38 · Amanda Dobbins (0.85 sure it was them)

The Shining (1980): 1 line

  1. unmapped (led to Kubrick mythology) · through 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which they were behind as publisher of the Kirby 2001 comics: 2001: A Space Odyssey ⇒ The Shining (the host's read). 2001 is the reason for Kubrick's godlike mythology, without which people would invest less in The Shining.
    “I don't think people would invest as much into The Shining if this movie didn't exist.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · 2001: A Space Odyssey with Jordan Hoffman (Ad-Free) · 1:01:49 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

What the speakers said they did

Studio (5) everyone in studio

What was said about them, by kind

contrast (1)

  1. contrast (contrast): Blumhouse → Marvel. Blumhouse's small budgets let them do things a Marvel movie can't.
    “they can do a lot of stuff in these kinds of movies that they might not be able to in a Marvel movie”
    The Big Picture · The 10 Best Horror Movies of the Decade | The Big Picture · 0:16:21 · Chris Ryan (0.60 sure it was them)

Fun items about them

  1. fun, about Marvel: A famous Hollywood guest argued Marvel movies are comedies and displaced studio comedies.
    “Marvel movies are comedies.”
    The Big Picture · 300th Episode Ask-Us-Anything Mailbag Spectacular · 1:18:41 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Marvel: Marvel is the Super Bowl of popular culture, bigger than the Oscars.
    “It is like the Super Bowl of popular culture, more than the Oscars.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:59:24 · Amanda Dobbins (0.55 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Marvel: 2017 Comic-Con gun-maker partnership: a Marvel comic with teen representatives of Northrop Grumman was pulled after backlash.
    “And they were going to do this comic miniseries that was teenage representatives of North of Grumen.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 3 · 1:23:55 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Marvel: The original Paramount slate announcement included a Power Pack family comedy; they'd love a kids' Marvel film.
    “That was part of their 1st announcement was like, we have power pack.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 2:02:26 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)