Howard Shore
Made films the shows talk about.
Wikidata Q207773: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by Wikidata joins them to After Hours, which After Hours with Alison Sivitz credits them on.
Counted as composer, the making department they hold the most credits in. The films the hosts said they scored, which the two lists below run through too: Saturday Night Live (1975); The Lord of the Rings (1978); After Hours (1985); Seven (1995); The Game (1997); Panic Room (2002); The Twilight Saga: Eclipse (2010); That Thing You Do!.
Draws on
What the speakers say they, or a film of theirs, drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.
Fight Club (1999): 3 lines
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career (career) · through Panic Room (2002), which they scored:
Fight Club ⇒ Panic Room (the host's read).
Panic Room read as a small antidote to the response to Fight Club.
“This seemed like a little bit of an antidote to that because what's panic room about.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Panic Room’ (Plus a Mini Will Smith–Oscars Recap) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:19:29 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them) -
craft (craft) · through Panic Room (2002), which they scored:
Fight Club ⇒ Panic Room (the host's read).
The inside-the-house camera moves Fincher started in Fight Club are fully developed in Panic Room.
“And there's a lot of like stuff that he had started to do a little bit with Fight Club is like really like fleshed out in panic room”
The Rewatchables · ‘Panic Room’ (Plus a Mini Will Smith–Oscars Recap) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:20:53 · Chris Ryan (0.45 sure it was them) -
unmapped (response to) · through Panic Room (2002), which they scored:
Fight Club ⇒ Panic Room (the host's read).
A host says Panic Room is a conscious response to Fight Club, which flopped and tried to be about everything.
“Yes. And I feel like it's a very conscious response to fight club.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Panic Room with Eva Anderson (Ad-Free) · 0:24:52 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
The Last Temptation of Christ (1988): 3 lines
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career (personal projection) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
The Last Temptation of Christ ⇒ After Hours (the maker said so: Scorsese quoted in an oral history).
Scorsese worked Kafka's Before the Law into the club doorman scene to reflect his frustration over Last Temptation.
“inspired by Franz Kafka's before the law. And Scorsese said the short story reflected his frustration toward the production of the Last Temptation of Christ.”
The Rewatchables · ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey · 1:23:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them) -
unmapped (cause) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
The Last Temptation of Christ ⇒ After Hours (the maker said so: a Scorsese quote on After Hours being a reaction to the Last Temptation ordeal).
After Paramount collapsed Last Temptation, Scorsese wanted a cheap, personal film; After Hours is his reaction to the Hollywood ordeal.
“it's a reaction against my year and a half into Hollywood trying to get last temptation to Christ made.”
Blank Check with Griffin & David · After Hours with Alison Sivitz · 0:50:49 · unknown host (quoting Scorsese) (0.35 sure it was them) -
unmapped (sliding door) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
The Last Temptation of Christ ⇒ After Hours (the host's read).
Paramount cancelling Last Temptation sent Scorsese to a small fast job; one of movie history's sliding doors.
“it is one of the massive sliding doors in movie history because him not making it leads to him making this movie”
The Rewatchables · ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey · 0:17:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
Rear Window (1954): 2 lines
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lineage (lineage) · through Panic Room (2002), which they scored:
Rear Window ⇒ Panic Room (the maker said so: Fincher's quotes the host reads).
Fincher saw it as a cross between Rear Window and Straw Dogs.
“So Fitcher saw panic group as a cross between rear window and straw dogs.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Panic Room’ (Plus a Mini Will Smith–Oscars Recap) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:17:38 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them) -
lineage (stealth homage) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
Rear Window ⇒ After Hours (the host's read).
The neighborhood shooting seen through a window is a Hitchcock rear-window moment never mentioned again; Hitchcock and Fritz Lang noir are influences.
“there's Hitchcock and Fritz Lange Noir movies are a huge influence on this movie, and that's like such a perfect rear window moment”
The Rewatchables · ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey · 0:58:09 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
Seven (1995): 2 lines, within their own work
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unmapped (R-rated proof) · through The Game (1997), which they scored:
Seven ⇒ The Game (the host's read).
Se7en's hit status as an R-rated film convinced the backers to fund The Game.
“I think convinced, um, people like, okay, like, you can make an R-rated movie a hit.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free) · 0:33:16 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them) -
unmapped (commercial lead-in) · through The Game (1997), which they scored:
Seven ⇒ The Game (the host's read).
Se7en's success gave Fincher an absurd budget for The Game.
“this is better for me because now I can make this movie at an absurd budget.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free) · 0:47:35 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
A Christmas Carol (2009): 1 line
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unmapped (template) · through The Game (1997), which they scored:
A Christmas Carol ⇒ The Game (the maker said so: reading Fincher's quotes in the dossier JJ put together).
Fincher's own framing, as quoted in the dossier, is that The Game is A Christmas Carol and Nick is Scrooge.
“it's a Christmas carol.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free) · 0:47:52 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
Alfred Hitchcock: 1 line
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lineage (lineage) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
Alfred Hitchcock ⇒ Seven (the host's read).
Se7en is a Hitchcock movie in its pulling-your-chain structure of mystery, reveal and anxiety, and Hitchcock is Fincher's biggest influence.
“I think as much as this seems like a modern movie, it's also just completely a Hitchcock movie in so many ways.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:14:30 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)
All That Jazz (1979): 1 line
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lineage (cited influence) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
All That Jazz ⇒ Seven (the maker said so).
A host recalls a Fincher film the show covered where he cited All That Jazz as an inspiration for the look, maybe Seven.
“where he cited how much of an inspiration all that jazz was for him for the look of the movie?”
Blank Check — Patreon · David Fincher Music Videos · 1:13:07 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
Baby It's You (1983): 1 line
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lineage (production lineage) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
Baby It's You ⇒ After Hours (the host's read).
Without Baby It's You (Dunn/Robinson, Arquette, Ballhaus) there is no After Hours, since it brought Ballhaus to Scorsese.
“without that movie, we don't have after hours either because they bring Michael Bauhaus to Scorsese.”
The Rewatchables · ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey · 1:16:29 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
Ernst Lubitsch: 1 line
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unmapped (comic technique) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
Ernst Lubitsch ⇒ After Hours (the host's read).
The film's elegant timing and characterization is Scorsese flexing Lubitsch, his filmmaking hero.
“this is the movie where Marty gets to flex a little Lubich stuff, who was obviously a big filmmaking hero of his”
Blank Check with Griffin & David · After Hours with Alison Sivitz · 0:39:55 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
Fargo (1996): 1 line
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unmapped (model for the villains) · through Panic Room (2002), which they scored:
Fargo ⇒ Panic Room (the host's read).
A host feels Panic Room's funny villain and scary villain pair uses the Buscemi and Stormare model from Fargo.
“But I'm realizing how much wisely it does feel like they're sort of using the model of Bushemi and Stoneman.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Panic Room with Eva Anderson (Ad-Free) · 2:20:45 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
Fritz Lang: 1 line
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lineage (influence) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
Fritz Lang ⇒ After Hours (the maker said so: Scorsese's own account of his influences on the film).
Lang's nighttime nightmare noirs (M, Manhunt, Woman in the Window) were influences.
“And then some Fritz Lange movies. like M, Manhunt, Woman in the Window, you know, nighttime noiry, nightmare movies, stuff like that.”
Blank Check with Griffin & David · After Hours with Alison Sivitz · 0:51:36 · unknown host (0.35 sure it was them)
Isle of the Dead (1945): 1 line
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lineage (influence) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
Isle of the Dead ⇒ After Hours (the maker said so: Scorsese's own account of his influences on the film).
Scorsese cited Isle of the Dead, a one-night Greek island story, as an influence.
“Isle of the Dead, a Val Luton movie that takes place like over one night on a Greek island.”
Blank Check with Griffin & David · After Hours with Alison Sivitz · 0:51:19 · unknown host (0.35 sure it was them)
Jodie Foster: 1 line
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unmapped (led to) · through Panic Room (2002), which they scored:
Jodie Foster ⇒ Panic Room (the host's read).
The Game casting fell through, and Panic Room happened because she still wanted to work with Fincher.
“Panic room ends up happening because of how badly she still wanted to work with Venture”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free) · 0:56:56 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
Joe Frank: 1 line
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unmapped (alleged plagiarism) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
Joe Frank ⇒ After Hours (the maker said so: Joe Frank himself, as reported in a 2000 Salon profile).
Joe Frank's 1982 monologue 'Lies' was allegedly lifted for After Hours' opening act; 'Lies' was the script's first title.
“the opening act is basically ripping off a 1982 monologue he had called lies, which is the 1st title of this script.”
Blank Check with Griffin & David · After Hours with Alison Sivitz · 0:37:27 · unknown host (reading JJ Bersch's research) (0.40 sure it was them)
Klute: 1 line
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lineage (visual inspiration) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
Klute ⇒ Seven (the maker said so).
The speaker watched Klute because Fincher and DP Darius Khondji cited it as an inspiration for Se7en's dark look and flashlight-led framing.
“I watched Clute over the weekend because I know that both Fincher and Darius Conji, the DP, had cited that as an inspiration”
Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free) · 2:38:58 · Nick Wiger or Mike Mitchell (unresolved) (0.30 sure it was them)
North by Northwest (1959): 1 line
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lineage (influence) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
North by Northwest ⇒ After Hours (the maker said so: Scorsese's own account of his influences on the film).
The world-against-him framed-man structure of North by Northwest was an influence.
“That's sort of like the world is against him. He's been framed.”
Blank Check with Griffin & David · After Hours with Alison Sivitz · 0:51:28 · unknown host (0.35 sure it was them)
Sling Blade (1996): 1 line
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people (led to casting) · through Panic Room (2002), which they scored:
Sling Blade ⇒ Panic Room (the host's read).
A host says Yoakam was cast in Panic Room off of Sling Blade.
“That was kind of what he got cast off over.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Panic Room with Eva Anderson (Ad-Free) · 1:02:00 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
Straw Dogs (1971): 1 line
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lineage (lineage) · through Panic Room (2002), which they scored:
Straw Dogs ⇒ Panic Room (the maker said so: Fincher's quotes the host reads).
Fincher saw it as a cross between Rear Window and Straw Dogs (Peckinpah).
“So Fitcher saw panic group as a cross between rear window and straw dogs.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Panic Room’ (Plus a Mini Will Smith–Oscars Recap) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:17:38 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
The King of Comedy (1982): 1 line
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industry (studio retreat) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
The King of Comedy ⇒ After Hours (the maker said so: Scorsese's quote, via Biskind).
King of Comedy bombing and Fox pulling it set up Scorsese's retreat to small-scale After Hours; he said 70s directors had lost to studios.
“And that was when I really understood that the 70s were over for me”
The Rewatchables · ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey · 0:18:28 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
The Silence of the Lambs (1991): 1 line
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lineage (lineage) · through Panic Room (2002), which they scored:
The Silence of the Lambs ⇒ Panic Room (the host's read).
The switcheroo with the dad and Raoul is a little Silence of the Lambs homage.
“A little silence of lambs homage.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Panic Room’ (Plus a Mini Will Smith–Oscars Recap) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:53:47 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
The Wizard of Oz (1939): 1 line
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lineage (homage) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
The Wizard of Oz ⇒ After Hours (the host's read).
Dark-side-of-the-yellow-brick-road version; Dorothy walks into black and white instead of color, with 'surrender Dorothy' graffiti and Marcy's Seconal tie to Judy Garland.
“it is like very much a Wizard of Oz kind of homage, and it's like if Dorothy instead walked into the black and white darkness”
The Rewatchables · ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey · 0:11:14 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
Thief (1981): 1 line
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craft (craft) · through Panic Room (2002), which they scored:
Thief ⇒ Panic Room (the host's read).
Fincher may have watched Thief before Panic Room.
“Fincher does panic room and he probably saw Thief like 2 weeks before he started filming”
The Rewatchables · ‘Thief’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:40:36 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
William Friedkin: 1 line
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lineage (lineage) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
William Friedkin ⇒ Seven (the maker said so).
Fincher drew from Friedkin and wanted it to feel like an episode of Cops.
“he's drawn from like Friedkin, but he's also, he's, he's referenced like how he wanted it to feel like an episode of cops.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:15:42 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)
Drawn on by
What the speakers say drew on them or a film of theirs, marked the same way.
Fight Club (1999): 2 lines
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career (career) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
Seven ⇒ Fight Club (the host's read).
Without Se7en's power Fincher does not get to do The Game and Fight Club his way.
“I think without this movie, he doesn't go on this run”
The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:27:28 · Sean Fennessey (0.55 sure it was them) -
career (career lever) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
Seven ⇒ Fight Club (the host's read).
Se7en's success is what let Fincher make the seemingly impossible Fight Club.
“But the fight club is him more being like, okay, guys, I know this seems impossible, but I made seven.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free) · 1:05:55 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
Goodfellas (1990): 2 lines
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unmapped (stylistic seed) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
After Hours ⇒ Goodfellas (the host's read).
Sean says the fast cutting, whip-pans and close-ups in After Hours are the seeds of Goodfellas' look, via cinematographer Michael Ballhaus.
“just seeing all the seeds of Goodfellas and all these little edits and camera shots.”
The Rewatchables · ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey · 0:04:02 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them) -
career (career hinge) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
After Hours ⇒ Goodfellas (the host's read).
Bill says Goodfellas does not happen if After Hours does not happen first; the cancelled Last Temptation is the sliding door.
“I don't know if Goodfellas happens.”
The Rewatchables · ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey · 0:17:21 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
The Game (1997): 2 lines, within their own work
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unmapped (R-rated proof) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
Seven ⇒ The Game (the host's read).
Se7en's hit status as an R-rated film convinced the backers to fund The Game.
“I think convinced, um, people like, okay, like, you can make an R-rated movie a hit.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free) · 0:33:16 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them) -
unmapped (commercial lead-in) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
Seven ⇒ The Game (the host's read).
Se7en's success gave Fincher an absurd budget for The Game.
“this is better for me because now I can make this movie at an absurd budget.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free) · 0:47:35 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
8mm (1999): 1 line
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lineage (rip-off) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
Seven ⇒ 8mm (the host's read).
Calls 8mm Schumacher ripping off Se7en.
“8 millimeter is Schumacher ripping off seven.”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free) · 0:41:48 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
Date Night (2010): 1 line
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theme (genre mutation) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
After Hours ⇒ Date Night (the host's read).
Date Night is After Hours turned into an action movie, piling on too much incident.
“Date night is action movie after hours.”
Blank Check with Griffin & David · After Hours with Alison Sivitz · 0:35:40 · unknown host (0.40 sure it was them)
Flight Plan: 1 line
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unmapped (template for) · through Panic Room (2002), which they scored:
Panic Room ⇒ Flight Plan (the host's read).
A host says Panic Room set the template for what looked like Foster's next phase of adult thrillers.
“And I do think it's sort of set a template for what felt like, oh, this is Jody Foster's next phase that then went sort of died prematurely.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Panic Room with Eva Anderson (Ad-Free) · 0:01:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
Go (1999): 1 line
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lineage (influence) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
After Hours ⇒ Go (the host's read).
Go is late-90s After Hours with weird cameos.
“they should have paid royalties to Sworses.”
The Rewatchables · ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey · 1:31:36 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
Licorice Pizza (2021): 1 line
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people (people) · through That Thing You Do!, which they scored:
That Thing You Do! ⇒ Licorice Pizza (the host's read).
Gary Goetzman was an inspiration for Licorice Pizza and will come up on the show.
“he was an inspiration for the film Licorice Pizza”
The Big Picture · ‘Ghostbusters: Afterlife,’ ‘Tick, Tick ... Boom!,' and Our Top Five Feel-Good Movies · 0:44:45 · Amanda Dobbins (0.50 sure it was them)
MTV Movie Awards Se7en parody: 1 line
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unmapped (parody) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
Seven ⇒ MTV Movie Awards Se7en parody (the host's read).
The MTV Movie Awards parodied the Se7en ending with William Shatner playing every role and the head in the box.
“And then Shatner's head is in the box and then he sings a song.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free) · 2:34:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
Nine Inch Nails: 1 line
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lineage (lineage) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
Seven ⇒ Nine Inch Nails (the host's read).
Se7en caught industrial rock at its peak and led to Fincher-Reznor scores.
“Fincher and Rezner go on to make this incredible partnership”
The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:55:04 · Sean Fennessey (0.45 sure it was them)
San Diego Comic-Con: 1 line
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industry (industry) · through The Twilight Saga: Eclipse (2010), which they scored:
The Twilight Saga: Eclipse ⇒ San Diego Comic-Con (the host's read).
Twilight fans camping out for Hall H changed fandom protocol, then Marvel fans retaliated.
“the Twyhards are the one who started that thing of like, Hall H is the biggest venue”
Blank Check — Patreon · Eclipse · 1:42:51 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
Saw (film series): 1 line
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unmapped (borrowing) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
Seven ⇒ Saw (film series) (the host's read).
Rewatching the Saw movies, the speaker was struck by how much they lifted from Se7en.
“I forgot how much saw stole.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free) · 0:59:00 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018): 1 line
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unmapped (set the template for) · through Panic Room (2002), which they scored:
Panic Room ⇒ Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (the host's read).
A host says Fincher's all-previs approach on this film created the pipeline for how blockbusters are made.
“But that disc 2 is so much about that he basically created the pipeline for how all fucking blockbusters are made on this movie.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Panic Room with Eva Anderson (Ad-Free) · 0:31:38 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
Succession (2018): 1 line
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unmapped (looks like) · through The Game (1997), which they scored:
The Game ⇒ Succession (the host's read).
Jokes that the opening home-movie footage is ripped off by Succession.
“ripped it right off”
Blank Check — Patreon · The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free) · 0:35:58 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
The Batman (2022): 1 line
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unmapped (borrowing) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
Seven ⇒ The Batman (the host's read).
The speaker had forgotten how indebted The Batman is to Fincher, mostly to Se7en.
“I had forgotten just how indebted the Batman is to...”
Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free) · 1:28:34 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
The Color of Money (1986): 1 line
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career (career bridge) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
After Hours ⇒ The Color of Money (the host's read).
The camera moves of After Hours carry into Color of Money's pool table, tied to Ballhaus; both lead to Goodfellas.
“that same thing, that camera is flying across the pool table.”
The Rewatchables · ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey · 0:30:24 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
The Lovebirds (2020): 1 line
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lineage (unofficial remake) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
After Hours ⇒ The Lovebirds (the host's read).
The Lovebirds tried to be the After Hours of its day but never works.
“on paper, you were like, yeah, sure, it's been too long since someone tried to make after hours.”
Blank Check with Griffin & David · After Hours with Alison Sivitz · 0:35:09 · unknown host (0.35 sure it was them)
The Night Before (2015): 1 line
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lineage (unofficial remake) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
After Hours ⇒ The Night Before (the host's read).
After Hours is the template for modern one-crazy-night New York comedies, none of which reach it.
“It is one of those movies that kind of is like unofficially remade every 5 years.”
Blank Check with Griffin & David · After Hours with Alison Sivitz · 0:34:18 · unknown host (0.40 sure it was them)
True Detective (2014): 1 line
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lineage (lineage) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
Seven ⇒ True Detective (the host's read).
Se7en's influence shows in True Detective from the title sequence to the characters, though True Detective's first season flinches at the dark ending.
“you can see the influence of of 7 on things like True Detective from the title sequence to the characters.”
The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:15:19 · Chris Ryan (0.55 sure it was them)
Uncut Gems (2019): 1 line
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lineage (influence) · through After Hours (1985), which they scored:
After Hours ⇒ Uncut Gems (the host's read).
Uncut Gems owes a heavy debt to After Hours; Go is also described as owing it royalties.
“could a movie owe more of a debt to after hours than the cut gems.”
The Rewatchables · ‘After Hours’ with Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey · 1:31:19 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
Zodiac (2007): 1 line
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unmapped (why Fincher was offered it) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
Seven ⇒ Zodiac (the host's read).
Seven made Fincher the first choice for any serial-killer project, Zodiac included.
“Ever since he makes seven, if there's some serial killer movie, is getting sent it”
Blank Check — Patreon · Zodiac with Leslye Headland (Ad-Free) · 0:51:53 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
later crime thrillers and crime TV (unnamed): 1 line
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lineage (genre influence) · through Seven (1995), which they scored:
Seven ⇒ later crime thrillers and crime TV (unnamed) (the host's read).
As an adult the speaker is less shocked by Se7en because everyone since took a page out of its book.
“I'm not as shocked by 7 because everyone took a page out of its book, of course.”
Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free) · 2:15:39 · Mike Mitchell (0.50 sure it was them)
What the speakers said they did
Music (11) everyone in music
- composer, After Hours (Blank Check with Griffin & David, After Hours with Alison Sivitz)
- composer, The Lord of the Rings (Blank Check with Griffin & David, After Hours with Alison Sivitz)
- original music director on Saturday Night Live, Saturday Night Live (Blank Check with Griffin & David, After Hours with Alison Sivitz)
- go-to composer for David Cronenberg and Martin Scorsese (Blank Check with Griffin & David, After Hours with Alison Sivitz)
- composer, That Thing You Do! (The Big Picture, ‘Ghostbusters: Afterlife,’ ‘Tick, Tick ... Boom!,' and Our Top Five Feel-Good Movies)
- composer, Panic Room (Blank Check — Patreon, Fight Club with Alex Ross Perry (Ad-Free))
- composer (implied: 'he used Shore a fair amount in the beginning'), Seven (Blank Check — Patreon, Fight Club with Alex Ross Perry (Ad-Free))
- composer, The Game (Blank Check — Patreon, The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free))
- composer (all of Fincher's early scores), Seven (Blank Check — Patreon, The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free))
- original music director (Blank Check — Patreon, The Game with Brendan Hines (Ad-Free))
- composer, The Twilight Saga: Eclipse (Blank Check — Patreon, Eclipse)
What was said about them, by kind
career (4)
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career (career):
Howard Shore → Martin Scorsese.
Shore became Scorsese's go-to composer, and the host loves their collaborations.
“I really love Shore's collaborations with Marty”
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career (career):
Howard Shore → David Cronenberg.
Shore, once the atonal-music guy, became Cronenberg's go-to composer.
“He becomes David Cronenberg and Martin Scorsese's go-to guys”
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career (career turn):
Howard Shore → Peter Jackson.
Shore then took on Lord of the Rings.
“And then PJ was like, hey, you want to do like Lord of the Rings?”
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career (career start):
Howard Shore → Lorne Michaels.
Shore was Saturday Night Live's first music director, a Lorne Michaels guy.
“He is a Lorne Michaels guy who then became like weird, like thriller score guy”
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contrast (1)
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contrast (contrast):
Howard Shore → Carter Burwell.
Eclipse is scored by Howard Shore, which surprises a speaker who thought Carter Burwell scored all the Twilight films.
“Oh, Howard Short did the score for this one. You know, I thought Burwell did the score for all of, but no, he comes back later, I guess.”
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craft (2)
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craft (craft):
After Hours → Howard Shore.
After Hours is light on needle drops and leans on Shore's heavy score.
“Marty hasn't been doing the needle drops as much in this film. It feels big to have, you know, the score's very heavy in this film. Howard Shore.”
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craft (early scores):
Howard Shore → David Fincher.
Shore does all of Fincher's early scores.
“He does all of Fincher's early scores and they're so good.”
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people (4)
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people (composer arc):
Howard Shore → The Lord of the Rings.
Shore went from atonal Cronenberg/Scorsese music to scoring Lord of the Rings.
“Like before he became the Lord of the Rings guy. I mean, he was the weird, you know, atonal music guy.”
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people (composer):
Howard Shore → Panic Room.
A speaker loves the Panic Room score by Shore.
“I love the Howard Shore panic room score.”
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people (composer):
Howard Shore → The Game.
The score is by Howard Shore.
“Great Howard Short score.”
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people (same composer):
Howard Shore → David Cronenberg.
Shore did the weird discordant Cronenberg and Fincher scores.
“the guy who did the weird discordant Kronenberg and Fincher scores”
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unmapped (2)
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unmapped (hiring logic):
Peter Jackson → Howard Shore.
Jackson hired Shore because Jackson came from a Cronenberg-like space.
“Because Jackson comes from a kind of Cronenberg space originally.”
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unmapped (successor):
Howard Shore → Trent Reznor.
Shore scored Fincher before Reznor takes over.
“before he jumps over to Rezner.”
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