Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014)

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In the store as #510, Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014).

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What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Three Days of the Condor: 2 lines the maker said so ×1 the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Three Days of the Condor ⇒ Captain America: The Winter Soldier (the maker said so). The filmmakers say outright they were making a Condor movie.
    “But they're like, we're like, we're making a 3 days of the Condor movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:27:10 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Captain America: The First Avenger: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger ⇒ Captain America: The Winter Soldier (the host's read). Zola surviving and joining the other side is the seed for Winter Soldier.
    “Because you need Zola to join the other side.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:34:27 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Ed Brubaker: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Ed Brubaker ⇒ Captain America: The Winter Soldier (the host's read). The film adapts the Brubaker Winter Soldier comic arc.
    “They wanted to take the Ed Brubaker Winter Soldier Arc, which is one of the most famous Captain America Arcs.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:14:25 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Sydney Pollack: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. craft (craft): Sydney Pollack ⇒ Captain America: The Winter Soldier (the host's read). Winter Soldier's look is said to approximate a Sydney Pollack movie (transcribed 'Sydney Poland').
    “And, you know, Captain America's sort of trying to approximate like a fucking Sydney Poland movie or whatever.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:34:31 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

Avengers: Age of Ultron: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier ⇒ Avengers: Age of Ultron (the host's read). The post-credits scene sets up the twins and Strucker's experiments.
    “You know what they're setting up here, Benny.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:12:03 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Connected to

Captain America: The First Avenger: 5 lines contrast ×3 lineage ×1 craft ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Captain America: The First Avenger. The first film is stylized like an old serial; this one is a grounded Washington thriller.
    “And the 1st Captain America is so heightened and stylized because it's doing the old cereal thing.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:04:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Captain America: Civil War: 3 lines theme ×1 what-if ×1 industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Captain America: Civil War. Civil War piggybacked on the Cap brand instead of smaller spy-on-the-run films.
    “Yeah, the problem with Civil Wars, they're like, let's use the cap movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:06:59 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Avengers: Age of Ultron: 2 lines programming ×2

  1. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Avengers: Age of Ultron. Ultron resets Captain America's status quo ahead of Civil War.
    “Well, it's because Age of Ultron also sort of resets Captain America a little bit.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:09:22 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Avengers: Infinity War: 2 lines verdict ×1 contrast ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Avengers: Infinity War. A host defends Infinity War as a classic take.
    “I think Infinity War is good though.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:29:37 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Henry Jackman: 2 lines craft ×2

  1. craft (craft): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Henry Jackman. The score has a recurring cue that plays whenever Bucky is thinking, which a host finds a lazy way to underline his pondering.
    “It's what this soundtrack does anytime Bucky is thinking.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:18:25 · Griffin Newman or David Sims (unclear) (0.40 sure it was them)

Iron Man 2: 2 lines contrast ×1 programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Iron Man 2. Gary Shandling's Hydra senator is an odd pull-back to Iron Man 2 for a franchise otherwise ignoring that film.
    “when they're like trying to ignore as much of Iron Man 2 as possible”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:16:27 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)

Iron Man 3: 2 lines industry ×1 programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Iron Man 3. Marvel gives each film a different genre; Winter Soldier is the political thriller, Iron Man 3 the noir/buddy film.
    “Right. So this is when they're like, Iron Man 3 is sort of like a noir and like a buddy film, Dark World is like high fantasy.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:14:14 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Thor: The Dark World: 2 lines programming ×1 industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Thor: The Dark World → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The Dark World opened higher than Thor 1, but Winter Soldier made a bigger bump, as Thor had made more than Captain America to start.
    “But the Winter Soldier also had a bigger bump to make because Thor made more than Captain America.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:27:08 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Three Days of the Condor: 2 lines lineage ×2

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Three Days of the Condor. The filmmakers say outright they were making a Condor movie.
    “But they're like, we're like, we're making a 3 days of the Condor movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:27:10 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

70s paranoid thrillers: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → 70s paranoid thrillers. The bunker scene has a creepy empty-bureaucracy look from the 60s and 70s.
    “the sort of like creepy, empty bureaucracy aesthetic, you know, the very 60s, 70s”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:02:53 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)

A Night at the Garden: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → A Night at the Garden. The Zola/Hydra "infiltrate quietly" speech is likened to a documentary short about a 1939 American Nazi rally.
    “Hydra is a dog whistle for you.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:08:31 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Marvel then told ABC SHIELD would not exist for the film universe.
    “Just so you know, Shield's not going to exist enough.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:34:59 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Agents of S.H.I.L.E.L.D.: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Agents of S.H.I.L.E.L.D.. The TV show had to stall its whole first season because the film's Hydra reveal could not be tipped.
    “Of course, the 1st season of SHIELD began in 2013 and had to essentially stall for almost its entire 1st season because they knew that this was coming, but they couldn't tip it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:34:33 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Anthony and Joe Russo: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Anthony and Joe Russo. Of the Russos' three theatrical films this is the most distinctive.
    “This is, I mean, of their 3 movies, this is the one that's the most distinctive.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:29:13 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Avengers (1970s): 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Avengers (1970s). Dream of a 70s period Avengers with de-aged cast.
    “I want them to move backwards in time and make like a 70s Avengers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:44:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Black Panther: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Black Panther. Black Panther is the highest grossing Marvel movie domestically.
    “The fact that Black Panther is the highest grossing Marvel movie domestically, ever.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:04:13 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (restraint): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. Van says Winter Soldier was a sleek comic book spy thriller doing less, which the current audience demand for cameos and jokes would make impossible now.
    “Captain America Winter Soldier was less.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:12:05 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)

Black Widow: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Black Widow. Black Widow should be lower-budget R-rated.
    “I wonder what the Black Widow movie's going to be like.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:58:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Chris Evans: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Chris Evans → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Evans almost did not become Captain America; he tried hard not to sign.
    “he tried so hard not to sign up for this.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:50:53 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Community: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Community. Danny Pudi appears as a Community callback to the Russos.
    “We got Pooty here for a little community callback or whatever.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:38:01 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)

DC Extended Universe: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → DC Extended Universe. Marvel's strategy is a bulletproof success; DC's is a shambles.
    “whereas the DC strategy has been a shambles.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:03:13 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Deep State: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Deep State. The film is a betrayal-of-the-deep-state movie, which affects how Fury is played.
    “this is like the betrayal of, you know, the deep state movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:30:34 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Disney+ Falcon and Bucky show: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Disney+ Falcon and Bucky show. Smaller side-character projects are the future on Disney Plus.
    “That feels like what Disney Plus is going to be with the like Falcon and Bucky show and the Scarlet Wish show.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:59:18 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Draft Day: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (anecdote): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Draft Day. The two films were shooting in Cleveland at the same time; Griffin was an actor on Draft Day.
    “So they were filming this movie at the same time in Cleveland, Ohio, and the suburbs outside of Cleveland that we were filming a motion picture called Draft Day.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:20:47 · Griffin Newman (0.80 sure it was them)

Ed Brubaker: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Ed Brubaker → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The film adapts the Brubaker Winter Soldier comic arc.
    “They wanted to take the Ed Brubaker Winter Soldier Arc, which is one of the most famous Captain America Arcs.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:14:25 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Enemy of the State: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Enemy of the State. The ending sets up an enemy-of-the-state fugitive team the host wishes had gotten smaller movies.
    “riding the rails, enemy of the state, former shield, sort of that they're teeing up at the end of this movie”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:07:08 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

F. Gary Gray: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): F. Gary Gray → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. F. Gary Gray was one of the other shortlisted directors; the host finds his action work not a favorite.
    “I've never been the biggest fan of his action, like, big, big action filmmaking or whatever, but whatever.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:13:17 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Gary Sinise: 1 line unmapped ×1

  1. unmapped (trivia): Gary Sinise → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Sinise narrates the Captain America museum exhibit.
    “Did you know that Gary Sinise narrates the Captain America Museum in this movie?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:27:42 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Guardians of the Galaxy: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Guardians of the Galaxy → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Summer 2014's box office was weak, with Winter Soldier and Lego Movie topping the year until Guardians overtook them.
    “Lego movie made 257 by Winter Soul.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Guardians of the Galaxy · 2:10:59 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Heat: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Heat. Redford finally sharing a scene with the Winter Soldier is likened to Pacino and De Niro in Heat.
    “This is kind of like Pacino and De Niro finally meeting in heat.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:10:53 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Kevin Feige: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Kevin Feige → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Feige gave the filmmakers free rein provided they used the Helicarrier set piece.
    “Like, I'm going to give you a lot of free reign.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:19:31 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

LEGO Marvel Avengers (video game): 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → LEGO Marvel Avengers (video game). The opening boat sequence is replicated as a level in the LEGO game and works as a good video-game level.
    “It is that this sequence is replicate as a level in Marvel, Lego, the Avengers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:09:28 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)

Loki: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Loki. The Loki show hired a Rick and Morty writer; time-traveling premise.
    “have you heard the premise of the Loki show and they hired a Rick and Morty writer?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:59:26 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Marvel Cinematic Universe: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Marvel Cinematic Universe. Fury is in charge of SHIELD only in this film and Avengers; afterward mostly cameos.
    “So this is only the only other movie where Fury is like in charge of S.E.L.D. and kind of just like in the movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:16:47 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Marvel Studios logo: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Marvel Studios logo. Disney avoided the castle logo; Marvel made its own fanfare.
    “I remember people being like, are they going to put like the Disney Castle before Marvel movies?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:03:31 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Michael Giacchino: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Michael Giacchino. The logo fanfare began with Dark World; the host credits Giacchino.
    “Yeah, Through the Dark World, the 1st one with like the Giacchino fanfare and all of that.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:03:22 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Rainbow Six: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Rainbow Six. The film is a mission-based, strategy-driven blue-collar entry in the franchise, like Rainbow Six.
    “Rainbow six.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:19:16 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Scarlett Johansson: 1 line verdict ×1

  1. verdict (verdict): Scarlett Johansson → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Her performance is livelier here than before.
    “I think her performance in this is so much more alive.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:15:53 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Sebastian Stan: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Sebastian Stan → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Griffin prefers Stan as the Winter Soldier, where his face suits the part, to the wooden Bucky of this film.
    “I prefer him as the winter soldier because he's just sort of got a good face for it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:22:59 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)

Snowden / NSA: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Snowden / NSA. The Insight project plays as post-Snowden surveillance fear.
    “I guess they were like making the point of like, oh, it's like post Snowden.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:43:56 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Suicide Squad: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Suicide Squad. Polar makes Suicide Squad look tame.
    “This movie makes Suicide Squad look like...”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:29:49 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Sydney Pollack: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Sydney Pollack. Winter Soldier's look is said to approximate a Sydney Pollack movie (transcribed 'Sydney Poland').
    “And, you know, Captain America's sort of trying to approximate like a fucking Sydney Poland movie or whatever.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:34:31 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

The Avengers: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → The Avengers. The Helicarrier was so expensive in Avengers that Feige wanted multiple uses out of it, hence its role here.
    “we spend so much fucking money on that Avengers hella courier.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:19:38 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

The Hurt Locker: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → The Hurt Locker. The opening Sam Wilson veterans-group scene plays like Hurt Locker-style soldier-readjustment material.
    “So this is all kind of nice like Hurtlocker stuff.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:04:50 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

The X-Files: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → The X-Files. The abandoned-office SHIELD bunker is like an X-Files episode.
    “X-Files has a lot of episodes like this where they're like, what's this abandoned office”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:03:03 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)

Wonder Woman: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Wonder Woman. Marvel can present a first female-led MCU film as a milestone even after Wonder Woman.
    “Marvel is so big that it can actually pretend that's a milestone.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:02:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

digital de-aging: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → digital de-aging. Disney invests R&D in de-aging; Peggy's aged face looks like a Snapchat filter.
    “Like Disney is like, we're putting money into fixing deaging.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:23:24 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (2)

  1. career (career): Chris Evans → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Evans almost did not become Captain America; he tried hard not to sign.
    “he tried so hard not to sign up for this.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:50:53 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Sebastian Stan → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Griffin prefers Stan as the Winter Soldier, where his face suits the part, to the wooden Bucky of this film.
    “I prefer him as the winter soldier because he's just sort of got a good face for it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 0:22:59 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)

contrast (7)

  1. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Captain America: The First Avenger. The first film is stylized like an old serial; this one is a grounded Washington thriller.
    “And the 1st Captain America is so heightened and stylized because it's doing the old cereal thing.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:04:21 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Iron Man 2. Black Widow's hair is her worst here, though Iron Man 2 hair is worse; her performance is more alive here.
    “Iron Man 2 hair is bottom of the barrel.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:15:36 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Suicide Squad. Polar makes Suicide Squad look tame.
    “This movie makes Suicide Squad look like...”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:29:49 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Avengers: Infinity War. Pierce's plan is compared to Thanos's, defended as a meta commentary on the MCU being too big.
    “the Thanos thing is boring in theory, but it's great when you realize he's actually just saying this Marvel cinematic universe has gotten too big.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:50:07 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  5. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Captain America: The First Avenger. The Helicarrier finale in the old suit feels like the first film's underwhelming finale.
    “I mean, the 1st Captain America certainly does have an underwhelming finale.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:58:08 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → DC Extended Universe. Marvel's strategy is a bulletproof success; DC's is a shambles.
    “whereas the DC strategy has been a shambles.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:03:13 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. contrast (contrast): Captain America: The First Avenger → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The later films went gritty government paranoia, but this film's square-jawed hero is a good template, which also suggests a Superman film.
    “they should be able to pull off, like, a good Superman film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:54:36 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

craft (6)

  1. craft (craft): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → The Hurt Locker. The opening Sam Wilson veterans-group scene plays like Hurt Locker-style soldier-readjustment material.
    “So this is all kind of nice like Hurtlocker stuff.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:04:50 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → LEGO Marvel Avengers (video game). The opening boat sequence is replicated as a level in the LEGO game and works as a good video-game level.
    “It is that this sequence is replicate as a level in Marvel, Lego, the Avengers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:09:28 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Henry Jackman. The composer's score is one that a host listens to all the time.
    “I listen to this score all the time for some reason.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:14:59 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Henry Jackman. The score has a recurring cue that plays whenever Bucky is thinking, which a host finds a lazy way to underline his pondering.
    “It's what this soundtrack does anytime Bucky is thinking.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:18:25 · Griffin Newman or David Sims (unclear) (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Sydney Pollack. Winter Soldier's look is said to approximate a Sydney Pollack movie (transcribed 'Sydney Poland').
    “And, you know, Captain America's sort of trying to approximate like a fucking Sydney Poland movie or whatever.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:34:31 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): Captain America: The First Avenger → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The suit returns in Winter Soldier with better tailoring and layers.
    “I just think when they bring the classic suit back in Winter Soldier, it's a better tailoring.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:41:14 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

industry (11)

  1. industry (industry): Guardians of the Galaxy → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Summer 2014's box office was weak, with Winter Soldier and Lego Movie topping the year until Guardians overtook them.
    “Lego movie made 257 by Winter Soul.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Guardians of the Galaxy · 2:10:59 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Iron Man 3. Marvel kept the logo fanfare off Iron Man 3, which used a blue joke.
    “Obviously, in Iron Man 3, it doesn't really happen because they do the blue joke, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:03:18 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Michael Giacchino. The logo fanfare began with Dark World; the host credits Giacchino.
    “Yeah, Through the Dark World, the 1st one with like the Giacchino fanfare and all of that.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:03:22 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Marvel Studios logo. Disney avoided the castle logo; Marvel made its own fanfare.
    “I remember people being like, are they going to put like the Disney Castle before Marvel movies?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:03:31 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. industry (industry): Kevin Feige → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Feige gave the filmmakers free rein provided they used the Helicarrier set piece.
    “Like, I'm going to give you a lot of free reign.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:19:31 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  6. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → The Avengers. The Helicarrier was so expensive in Avengers that Feige wanted multiple uses out of it, hence its role here.
    “we spend so much fucking money on that Avengers hella courier.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:19:38 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → digital de-aging. Disney invests R&D in de-aging; Peggy's aged face looks like a Snapchat filter.
    “Like Disney is like, we're putting money into fixing deaging.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:23:24 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Wonder Woman. Marvel can present a first female-led MCU film as a milestone even after Wonder Woman.
    “Marvel is so big that it can actually pretend that's a milestone.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:02:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  9. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Black Panther. Black Panther is the highest grossing Marvel movie domestically.
    “The fact that Black Panther is the highest grossing Marvel movie domestically, ever.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:04:13 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  10. industry (industry): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Captain America: Civil War. Civil War piggybacked on the Cap brand instead of smaller spy-on-the-run films.
    “Yeah, the problem with Civil Wars, they're like, let's use the cap movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:06:59 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  11. industry (industry): Thor: The Dark World → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The Dark World opened higher than Thor 1, but Winter Soldier made a bigger bump, as Thor had made more than Captain America to start.
    “But the Winter Soldier also had a bigger bump to make because Thor made more than Captain America.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:27:08 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (6)

  1. lineage (lineage): Ed Brubaker → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The film adapts the Brubaker Winter Soldier comic arc.
    “They wanted to take the Ed Brubaker Winter Soldier Arc, which is one of the most famous Captain America Arcs.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:14:25 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Three Days of the Condor. The Russos and Marcus/McFeely were told they could make a Three Days of the Condor style political thriller inside the MCU, provided Feige got his Helicarrier back.
    “You want to do a 3 day of the Condor movie?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:19:33 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Three Days of the Condor. The filmmakers say outright they were making a Condor movie.
    “But they're like, we're like, we're making a 3 days of the Condor movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:27:10 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → 70s paranoid thrillers. The bunker scene has a creepy empty-bureaucracy look from the 60s and 70s.
    “the sort of like creepy, empty bureaucracy aesthetic, you know, the very 60s, 70s”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:02:53 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)
  5. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → The X-Files. The abandoned-office SHIELD bunker is like an X-Files episode.
    “X-Files has a lot of episodes like this where they're like, what's this abandoned office”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:03:03 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)
  6. lineage (lineage): Captain America: The First Avenger → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Zola surviving and joining the other side is the seed for Winter Soldier.
    “Because you need Zola to join the other side.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The First Avenger · 1:34:27 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (people): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Community. Danny Pudi appears as a Community callback to the Russos.
    “We got Pooty here for a little community callback or whatever.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:38:01 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)

programming (10)

  1. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Iron Man 3. Marvel gives each film a different genre; Winter Soldier is the political thriller, Iron Man 3 the noir/buddy film.
    “Right. So this is when they're like, Iron Man 3 is sort of like a noir and like a buddy film, Dark World is like high fantasy.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:14:14 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Thor: The Dark World. Dark World is the high-fantasy entry in the same one-genre-per-film scheme.
    “Dark World is like high fantasy.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:14:14 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  3. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Marvel Cinematic Universe. Fury is in charge of SHIELD only in this film and Avengers; afterward mostly cameos.
    “So this is only the only other movie where Fury is like in charge of S.E.L.D. and kind of just like in the movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:16:47 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Iron Man 2. Gary Shandling's Hydra senator is an odd pull-back to Iron Man 2 for a franchise otherwise ignoring that film.
    “when they're like trying to ignore as much of Iron Man 2 as possible”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:16:27 · unknown (0.45 sure it was them)
  5. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Agents of S.H.I.L.E.L.D.. The TV show had to stall its whole first season because the film's Hydra reveal could not be tipped.
    “Of course, the 1st season of SHIELD began in 2013 and had to essentially stall for almost its entire 1st season because they knew that this was coming, but they couldn't tip it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:34:33 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. programming (programming): Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Marvel then told ABC SHIELD would not exist for the film universe.
    “Just so you know, Shield's not going to exist enough.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:34:59 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  7. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Disney+ Falcon and Bucky show. Smaller side-character projects are the future on Disney Plus.
    “That feels like what Disney Plus is going to be with the like Falcon and Bucky show and the Scarlet Wish show.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:59:18 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Loki. The Loki show hired a Rick and Morty writer; time-traveling premise.
    “have you heard the premise of the Loki show and they hired a Rick and Morty writer?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:59:26 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  9. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Avengers: Age of Ultron. Ultron resets Captain America's status quo ahead of Civil War.
    “Well, it's because Age of Ultron also sort of resets Captain America a little bit.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:09:22 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  10. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Avengers: Age of Ultron. The post-credits scene sets up the twins and Strucker's experiments.
    “You know what they're setting up here, Benny.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:12:03 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

theme (5)

  1. theme (theme): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Rainbow Six. The film is a mission-based, strategy-driven blue-collar entry in the franchise, like Rainbow Six.
    “Rainbow six.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:19:16 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Captain America: Civil War. The idea of Cap as someone with values who distrusts his government is what Civil War is about.
    “Because that's what civil war is about.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:20:29 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  3. theme (theme): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Deep State. The film is a betrayal-of-the-deep-state movie, which affects how Fury is played.
    “this is like the betrayal of, you know, the deep state movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:30:34 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. theme (theme): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → A Night at the Garden. The Zola/Hydra "infiltrate quietly" speech is likened to a documentary short about a 1939 American Nazi rally.
    “Hydra is a dog whistle for you.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:08:31 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  5. theme (theme): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Snowden / NSA. The Insight project plays as post-Snowden surveillance fear.
    “I guess they were like making the point of like, oh, it's like post Snowden.”
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unmapped (3)

  1. unmapped (restraint): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. Van says Winter Soldier was a sleek comic book spy thriller doing less, which the current audience demand for cameos and jokes would make impossible now.
    “Captain America Winter Soldier was less.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Is Here! · 1:12:05 · Van Lathan (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (anecdote): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Draft Day. The two films were shooting in Cleveland at the same time; Griffin was an actor on Draft Day.
    “So they were filming this movie at the same time in Cleveland, Ohio, and the suburbs outside of Cleveland that we were filming a motion picture called Draft Day.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:20:47 · Griffin Newman (0.80 sure it was them)
  3. unmapped (trivia): Gary Sinise → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Sinise narrates the Captain America museum exhibit.
    “Did you know that Gary Sinise narrates the Captain America Museum in this movie?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:27:42 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

verdict (3)

  1. verdict (verdict): Scarlett Johansson → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Her performance is livelier here than before.
    “I think her performance in this is so much more alive.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:15:53 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Anthony and Joe Russo. Of the Russos' three theatrical films this is the most distinctive.
    “This is, I mean, of their 3 movies, this is the one that's the most distinctive.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:29:13 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Avengers: Infinity War. A host defends Infinity War as a classic take.
    “I think Infinity War is good though.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:29:37 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)

what-if (6)

  1. what-if (what-if): F. Gary Gray → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. F. Gary Gray was one of the other shortlisted directors; the host finds his action work not a favorite.
    “I've never been the biggest fan of his action, like, big, big action filmmaking or whatever, but whatever.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:13:17 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Heat. Redford finally sharing a scene with the Winter Soldier is likened to Pacino and De Niro in Heat.
    “This is kind of like Pacino and De Niro finally meeting in heat.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:10:53 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. what-if (what-if): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Avengers (1970s). Dream of a 70s period Avengers with de-aged cast.
    “I want them to move backwards in time and make like a 70s Avengers.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:44:40 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. what-if (what-if): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Black Widow. Black Widow should be lower-budget R-rated.
    “I wonder what the Black Widow movie's going to be like.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 1:58:44 · unknown (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. what-if (what-if): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Captain America: Civil War. Hosts wish the film universe had played the fugitive A-team angle.
    “They're like an A team or something.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:06:55 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  6. what-if (what-if): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Enemy of the State. The ending sets up an enemy-of-the-state fugitive team the host wishes had gotten smaller movies.
    “riding the rails, enemy of the state, former shield, sort of that they're teeing up at the end of this movie”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:07:08 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Captain America: The Winter Soldier: Release: opened to 95, 46% increase over First Avenger's 65.
    “This one opens to 95.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 2:13:38 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

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