Val Kilmer

Made films the shows talk about.

Wikidata Q191084: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by the only person by that name on Wikidata.

Counted as actor. The films the hosts said they acted in, which the two lists below run through too: Top Secret! (1984); Top Gun (1986); Willow (1988); Doc Hollywood (1991); The Doors (1991); Thunderheart (1992); The Real McCoy (1993); Tombstone (1993); True Romance (1993); Batman Forever (1995); Heat (1995); The Ghost and the Darkness (1996); The Island of Dr. Moreau (1996); The Saint (1997); The Prince of Egypt (1998); Alexander (2004); The Batman (2022); Top Gun: Maverick (2022); Real Genius; The Doors (film).

Draws on

What the speakers say they, or a film of theirs, drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Thief (1981): 3 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Heat (1995), which they acted in: Thief ⇒ Heat (the maker said so: the Siegel piece, Caan telling Pacino). Caan said scenes cut from Thief went to Heat.
    “All the scenes that weren't used in our picture came over to you guys.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Thief’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:15:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft) · through Heat (1995), which they acted in: Thief ⇒ Heat (the host's read). The diner scene's wide shot echoes Heat's, which never shows both guys.
    “Wide shot, some heat DNA, although in heat, they don't have, you never see the 2 guys”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Thief’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:36:13 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage) · through Heat (1995), which they acted in: Thief ⇒ Heat (the host's read). Thief is the notebook sketch for Mann's later work, with Heat sharing DNA.
    “the building blocks for what you wind up seeing in heat and collateral and Miami Vice in so many of his films to come.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Thief’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:02:54 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

The Godfather (1972): 2 lines

  1. craft (craft) · through Tombstone (1993), which they acted in: The Godfather ⇒ Tombstone (the maker said so: Russell, in his True West magazine interview). Russell's intended tone was a Western Godfather; Jarre's version was more elegant.
    “Well, Russell says it, it was basically the godfather of Westerns.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:10:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft) · through Tombstone (1993), which they acted in: The Godfather ⇒ Tombstone (the host's read). The Oriental faro takeover shows the Godfather-like business side Russell wanted.
    “You could see the godfather thing that Russell's talking about when he moves into Tombstone and immediately takes over the Faro game at the Oriental.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:33:55 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

Batman (1943 serial) (1943): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Batman (2022), which they acted in: Batman (1943 serial) ⇒ The Batman (the host's read). A New York screening of the 1943 Lewis Wilson serial caused bat fever and led Fox to greenlight the movie.
    “someone screened that in New York City and it was such a phenomenon.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:11:37 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Do the Right Thing (1989): 1 line

  1. unmapped (borrowed speech) · through True Romance (1993), which they acted in: Do the Right Thing ⇒ True Romance (the host's read). The Sicilians-and-Moors speech in True Romance echoes what Mookie says to Pino in Sal's.
    “Well, Sicilians and and Africans and the Moors in that whole speech that appears in true romance, which is also something that Mookie essentially says to Pino”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Do The Right Thing’ With Sean Fennessey and Wesley Morris · 0:51:06 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)

Edge of Tomorrow (2014): 1 line

  1. career (career) · through Top Gun: Maverick (2022), which they acted in: Edge of Tomorrow ⇒ Top Gun: Maverick (the host's read). Edge cracked a new era of Cruise; Ethan Hunt and Maverick run on what he learned here.
    “That Maverick is really running on a lot of this.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Edge of Tomorrow · 0:03:24 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

John Ford: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Tombstone (1993), which they acted in: John Ford ⇒ Tombstone (the host's read). Contrast: Ford Westerns vs gnarly, vulgar Tombstone.
    “bridge from John Ford Westerns to Deadwood”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:34:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Mission: Impossible – Fallout (2018): 1 line

  1. unmapped (enabling success) · through Top Gun: Maverick (2022), which they acted in: Mission: Impossible – Fallout ⇒ Top Gun: Maverick (the host's read). Fallout's success is what lets Cruise do Top Gun: Maverick.
    “he's not in a position to do what he's doing now with Top Gun 2.”
    The Big Picture · The Tom Cruise Hall of Fame · 1:35:58 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

Seven (1995): 1 line

  1. unmapped (borrowing) · through The Batman (2022), which they acted in: Seven ⇒ The Batman (the host's read). The speaker had forgotten how indebted The Batman is to Fincher, mostly to Se7en.
    “I had forgotten just how indebted the Batman is to...”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Se7en with Mike Mitchell & Nick Wiger (Ad-Free) · 1:28:34 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Batman (2022): 1 line, within their own work

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Batman Forever (1995), which they acted in: The Batman ⇒ Batman Forever (the host's read). Burton had a plane and a boat which Schumacher updated in Batman Forever; Batman & Robin gave Robin a motorcycle.
    “Burton has a plane and a boat.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:27:30 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

The Color of Money (1986): 1 line

  1. lineage (legacy-sequel heirs) · through Top Gun: Maverick (2022), which they acted in: The Color of Money ⇒ Top Gun: Maverick (the host's read). Gap-based legacy sequels like Top Gun Maverick, Tron Legacy and Blade Runner follow the template Color of Money invented, though in 1986 sequels were derided.
    “now we get more and more like your your Tron legacies and your Top Gun Mavericks, where it's just casually... 37, 40 years later”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · The Color of Money with Chris Ryan · 1:07:05 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

The Long Halloween (comic): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Batman (2022), which they acted in: The Long Halloween (comic) ⇒ The Batman (the host's read). Every adaptation pulls from The Long Halloween but has not used Calendar Man.
    “Everyone has pulled from the long Halloween, but not used calendar man.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:43:06 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Three Amigos (1986): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Tombstone (1993), which they acted in: Three Amigos ⇒ Tombstone (the host's read). The wedding-execution opening resembles the Three Amigos setup.
    “this movie's after the 3 amigos, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:28:23 · Chris Ryan (0.30 sure it was them)

Top Gun (1986): 1 line, within their own work

  1. lineage (sequel verdict) · through Top Gun: Maverick (2022), which they acted in: Top Gun ⇒ Top Gun: Maverick (the host's read). Chris says the sequel delivered and is better than the first, and Amanda agrees.
    “It's better than the 1st one”
    The Big Picture · The Top Five Movies of 2022 · 1:26:26 · Chris Ryan (0.80 sure it was them)

Drawn on by

What the speakers say drew on them or a film of theirs, marked the same way.

Days of Thunder (1990): 2 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Top Gun (1986), which they acted in: Top Gun ⇒ Days of Thunder (the host's read). Days of Thunder is essentially Top Gun with cars.
    “it's essentially just Top Gun with cars”
    The Big Picture · The 1990 Movie Draft · 0:49:49 · Chris Ryan (0.85 sure it was them)
  2. unmapped (retread) · through Top Gun (1986), which they acted in: Top Gun ⇒ Days of Thunder (the host's read). Days of Thunder is tapping the same vein as Top Gun in its afterburner.
    “we're still like in the vapor trail, the afterburner of Top Gun here”
    The Big Picture · The Tom Cruise Hall of Fame · 1:00:45 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

The Dark Knight Rises (2012): 2 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Batman (2022), which they acted in: The Batman ⇒ The Dark Knight Rises (the host's read). The ocean bomb-disposal sequence is thought to be directly referenced in the final act of Dark Knight Rises.
    “this sequence, a lot of people think, is directly referenced by the final act of Dark Knight Rises.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:18:49 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage) · through The Batman (2022), which they acted in: The Batman ⇒ The Dark Knight Rises (the host's read). The giant bomb, the film's most iconic image, is what Dark Knight Rises lifts.
    “This is the thing that Dark Knight Rises kind of lifts.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:14:38 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Ambulance (2022): 1 line

  1. lineage (homage) · through Heat (1995), which they acted in: Heat ⇒ Ambulance (the host's read). Chris says the first half of Ambulance is Michael Bay trying to make Heat, before the second half becomes a great chase movie.
    “The 1st half of this movie is basically like Michael Bay being like, I want to make heat.”
    The Big Picture · The 2022 Movie Draft · 1:06:53 · Chris Ryan (0.80 sure it was them)

Batman Forever (1995): 1 line, within their own work

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Batman (2022), which they acted in: The Batman ⇒ Batman Forever (the host's read). Burton had a plane and a boat which Schumacher updated in Batman Forever; Batman & Robin gave Robin a motorcycle.
    “Burton has a plane and a boat.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:27:30 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Batman Forever / Batman & Robin: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Batman (2022), which they acted in: The Batman ⇒ Batman Forever / Batman & Robin (the host's read). Griffin says Schumacher's Batman films are directly shaped by the Adam West show's pairing and cliffhanger style.
    “Joel Schumacher is very influenced by the Adam West show.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:08:26 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)

Batman Returns (1992): 1 line

  1. theme (theme) · through The Batman (2022), which they acted in: The Batman ⇒ Batman Returns (the host's read). Villains scheming together in Batman Returns and Schumacher films echoes the 1966 team-up, but those feel forced.
    “The team up does always feel a little forced”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 0:42:12 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Captain Marvel (2019): 1 line

  1. craft (craft) · through Batman Forever (1995), which they acted in: Batman Forever ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). The prosthetic-ears-and-face-paint alien look recalls the trashy 1990s comic book movies, specifically Batman Forever.
    “It felt a little bit like Batman forever at times where I was like, that guy is definitely just wearing face paint.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:12:25 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70 sure it was them)

Cars (2006): 1 line

  1. craft (structural copy) · through Doc Hollywood (1991), which they acted in: Doc Hollywood ⇒ Cars (the host's read). Cars follows Doc Hollywood beat for beat, swapping in a hidden-legend old racer as the town mentor.
    “Cars is Doc Hollywood basically beat for beat.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · The Color of Money with Chris Ryan · 0:07:08 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

Conan O'Brien: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Batman (2022), which they acted in: The Batman ⇒ Conan O'Brien (the host's read). Conan's brand of obvious-shorthand humor is why this humor lands for the hosts; Conan echoes it.
    “Conan is actually probably a crucial reason this humor lands for us because Conan is echoing it.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Batman (1966) · 1:37:33 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Deadwood (2004): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Tombstone (1993), which they acted in: Tombstone ⇒ Deadwood (the host's read). Tombstone as the bridge from John Ford Westerns to Deadwood.
    “I tend to think of this movie as the bridge from John Ford Westerns to Deadwood”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:34:31 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)

Michael Mann: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Heat (1995), which they acted in: Heat ⇒ Michael Mann (the maker said so: Mann publicly talking about it). Mann has said he wants to adapt his Heat novel as a sequel and prequel to Heat.
    “he's been publicly talking about his desire to find a way to adapt his novel of heat to the sequel and prequel to heat.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Ferrari’ and Top Five Michael Mann Movies · 0:08:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)

Top Gun: Maverick (2022): 1 line, within their own work

  1. lineage (sequel verdict) · through Top Gun (1986), which they acted in: Top Gun ⇒ Top Gun: Maverick (the host's read). Chris says the sequel delivered and is better than the first, and Amanda agrees.
    “It's better than the 1st one”
    The Big Picture · The Top Five Movies of 2022 · 1:26:26 · Chris Ryan (0.80 sure it was them)

Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story (2007): 1 line

  1. industry (marketing mimicry) · through The Doors (1991), which they acted in: The Doors ⇒ Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story (the host's read). Walk Hard's poster of John C. Reilly was modeled on Val Kilmer in The Doors so it would pass as a real biopic.
    “the poster of John C. Riley is modeled on Val Kilmer in the doors, right?”
    The Big Picture · ‘Elvis,’ ‘Walk Hard’ and Top Five Music Biopics · 0:30:27 · Adam Nayman (0.85 sure it was them)

Wayne's World (1992): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Doors (1991), which they acted in: The Doors ⇒ Wayne's World (the host's read). Wayne's World 2 depends on knowing Oliver Stone's The Doors, as Weird Science depends on knowing The Road Warrior.
    “We talked a lot about Wayne's World 2 and we're like, it's very, very dependent on knowing Oliver Stone's the Doors movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Weird Science’ With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt · 1:07:39 · Kyle Brandt (0.60 sure it was them)

What the speakers said they did

Acting (35) everyone in acting

Other (5) everyone in other

What was said about them, by kind

career (7)

  1. career (career): Russell Crowe → Val Kilmer. Crowe's choice between character actor and leading man is likened to the Val Kilmer and Brad Pitt conundrum.
    “This is the Val Kilmer Brad Pitt conundrum, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Insider’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 0:19:07 · Bill Simmons (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Val Kilmer → Batman Forever. Kilmer's Batman is called the worst Batman but he was a huge star.
    “the worst Batman, but still Heat 95.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:11:31 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. career (career): Val Kilmer → Top Gun. Proposed apex: out of Top Gun, people thought he was neck and neck with Cruise.
    “I would imagine that Top Gun is his Apex Mountain”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:49:18 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. career (career): Val Kilmer → Heat. Ryan nominates Heat as Kilmer's apex.
    “I'm going heat.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:49:39 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. career (career): Val Kilmer → Heat. Kilmer as De Niro's wingman in the biggest movie of the mid 90s.
    “He's De Nero's wingman.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:49:41 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  6. career (career): Val Kilmer → Willow. Another apex case: 1987 right after Top Gun in Willow.
    “you could make the case that it's 1987 right after Top Gun, because he's Willow, right?”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:50:11 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. career (career): Val Kilmer → The Doors. Chris Ryan's personal Kilmer apex is The Doors, a movie he saw twice in theaters.
    “my personal apex with him is the Doors because I thought he was out of control in that movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:50:24 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

craft (1)

  1. craft (craft): Val Kilmer → Tombstone. The other actors recognize Kilmer's performance and change theirs, becoming more buttoned down.
    “they change their performances to elevate his because nobody's really behaving quite in the same way.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:36:13 · Sean Fennessey (0.50 sure it was them)

people (1)

  1. people (people): Val Kilmer → Kurt Russell. The film is a microcosm of both careers: Russell the necessary hero, Kilmer the heat-check guy.
    “I think this movie is the perfect microcosm of both of their careers.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:12:28 · Bill Simmons (0.60 sure it was them)

theme (1)

  1. theme (theme): Val Kilmer → Kurt Russell. The Wyatt-Doc friendship is the real love story of the movie.
    “you can tell that that's the love story at the center of the movie is the 2 of them.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:37:49 · Chris Ryan (0.50 sure it was them)

verdict (3)

  1. verdict (same career tier): Alec Baldwin → Val Kilmer. Van says Baldwin and Kilmer were both A-listers whose IMDb never matched their talent.
    “I think him and Val Kummer occupied this strange space in that kind of 90s, early 2000s where they were A-listers.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Edge’ With Bill Simmons and Van Lathan · 0:24:01 · Van Lathan (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): Val Kilmer → The Island of Dr. Moreau. Defended or insisted-on bad Kilmer cinema.
    “Dr. Moreau 96, which I stand by until his death.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:11:38 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): Val Kilmer → Tombstone. Winner: Kilmer is the best one in it.
    “I think Val Kilmer wins the movie.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:13:15 · Bill Simmons (0.50 sure it was them)

what-if (3)

  1. what-if (what-if): Val Kilmer → Dune. Val Kilmer was reportedly first choice for Paul and makes sense but was notoriously difficult.
    “Now, Val Kilmer, I believe, was the 1st choice to play Paulitrates, and makes so much sense.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Dune with John Hodgman · 1:43:30 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): Val Kilmer → The Insider. Val Kilmer was up for the Wigand role, a significant what-if.
    “Just Val Kilmer was up for Wygand, which is pretty significant what if for this podcast”
    The Rewatchables · ‘The Insider’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey · 1:00:49 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. what-if (what-if): Val Kilmer → Seven. Val Kilmer was another John Doe candidate; they wish they had a filmed car ride of it.
    “It would have been fucking awesome.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Se7en’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 1:01:56 · Bill Simmons (0.45 sure it was them)

Fun items about them

  1. fun, about Val Kilmer: Kilmer praised Russell for sacrificing his own role energy to save the film.
    “He said, I have admiration for Curtis.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:10:38 · Sean Fennessey (0.60 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Val Kilmer: Described as a free jazz, Byron-Shelley figure, coughing and sweating, while the Earps are solid American oak.
    “Morgan and Val Kilmer is just like free jazz happening”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:36:26 · Chris Ryan (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Val Kilmer: Kilmer's accent compared to Yosemite Sam reading Oscar Wilde.
    “he's like if Yosemite Sam was trying to read Oscar Wilde.”
    The Rewatchables · ‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan · 0:40:40 · Sean Fennessey (0.40 sure it was them)