Thor: The Dark World (2013)

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In the store as #509, Thor: The Dark World (2013).

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Came from

What the speakers say it drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

The Avengers: 2 lines the host's read ×2

  1. lineage (lineage): The Avengers ⇒ Thor: The Dark World (the host's read). The Dark World is the correction to Joss Whedon cracking Loki: he becomes co-lead, Thor 1A to Loki 1B.
    “This is the correction to Joss Whedon cracking Loki, where they're like, we get it now.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:20:47 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Doctor Who: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Doctor Who ⇒ Thor: The Dark World (the host's read). Marvel in general is indebted to Doctor Who's tone of lightness, comedy, hope and teamwork, especially the Russell T Davies era.
    “I think Marvel in general is very kind of indebted to Doctor Who with the same tone of like lightness and comedy and hope and team teamwork.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 2:02:06 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Game of Thrones: 1 line the host's read ×1

  1. craft (craft): Game of Thrones ⇒ Thor: The Dark World (the host's read). The film aims for a grounded, muddy fantasy in the Game of Thrones manner, away from Branagh's version.
    “We want to make a more grounded fantasy away from the bran off.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:11:39 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Led to

What the speakers say drew on it, marked the same way.

No line says another film or person drew on it.

Connected to

Thor: Ragnarok: 4 lines contrast ×2 what-if ×1 verdict ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Thor: Ragnarok → Thor: The Dark World. Ragnarok flushes nearly all the mythos out of Thor other than Thor and Loki, which the speakers dislike.
    “And they flush almost everything out of the mythos other than Thorn Loke.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:12:16 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Guardians of the Galaxy: 3 lines contrast ×2 programming ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Thor: The Dark World → Guardians of the Galaxy. The next film, Guardians, becomes candy colored, which is what that film needs, versus this serious look.
    “you get to like Guardians next and it like becomes like candy colored”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:34:19 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Patty Jenkins: 3 lines what-if ×3

  1. what-if (what-if): Thor: The Dark World → Patty Jenkins. The film fired original director Patty Jenkins and replaced her with Game of Thrones TV director Alan Taylor.
    “It fired its director, Patty Jenkins.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:11:28 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

Thor: 3 lines craft ×1 industry ×1 verdict ×1

  1. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Thor. The Dark World goes further in both directions on design (older looks plus more tech) while Branagh's Thor split the difference in a murky middle.
    “I think, like, Branagh is splitting the difference too hard and staying in a weird murky middle ground.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:18:52 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)

Captain America: The Winter Soldier: 2 lines programming ×1 industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Thor: The Dark World → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The Dark World opened higher than Thor 1, but Winter Soldier made a bigger bump, as Thor had made more than Captain America to start.
    “But the Winter Soldier also had a bigger bump to make because Thor made more than Captain America.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:27:08 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Crazy Rich Asians: 2 lines theme ×2

  1. theme (theme): Thor: The Dark World → Crazy Rich Asians. The fish-out-of-water romance with a world of high society and Frigga as the mother echoes Crazy Rich Asians.
    “Well, because this is also her kind of crazy rich Asians where it's like, this is a world that I don't know.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:29:33 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Doctor Strange: 2 lines craft ×1 verdict ×1

  1. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Doctor Strange. Doctor Strange does tactile magic well, with sparks, whereas Thor's magic read as CGI doodles elsewhere; the Dark World's has texture.
    “I think Doctor Strange does really well, but they make magic look tactile, which is hard to do.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:51:02 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Game of Thrones: 2 lines craft ×2

  1. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Game of Thrones. The film aims for a grounded, muddy fantasy in the Game of Thrones manner, away from Branagh's version.
    “We want to make a more grounded fantasy away from the bran off.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:11:39 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Iron Man 3: 2 lines industry ×1 contrast ×1

  1. industry (industry): Thor: The Dark World → Iron Man 3. This and Iron Man 3 are the first Marvel films with no Paramount logo before the Avengers logo.
    “this and Iron Man 3 are the 1st 2 movies fully devoid of Paramount, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:16:14 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

The Avengers: 2 lines lineage ×2

  1. lineage (lineage): Thor: The Dark World → The Avengers. The Dark World is the correction to Joss Whedon cracking Loki: he becomes co-lead, Thor 1A to Loki 1B.
    “This is the correction to Joss Whedon cracking Loki, where they're like, we get it now.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:20:47 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)

The Lord of the Rings: 2 lines lineage ×1 craft ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Thor: The Dark World → The Lord of the Rings. The Dark Elf war prologue and design is Lord of the Rings style ancient-story fantasy.
    “This is some sort of like Lord of the Rings stuff where it's sort of like, you know, this is an ancient story.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:17:10 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Alita: Battle Angel: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Thor: The Dark World → Alita: Battle Angel. Griffin's line from his Alita review frames this film: he is defenseless before silly sci-fi epics that dump lore through a simple hero's journey, like Jupiter Ascending, Valerian, Aquaman.
    “Think of films like Jupe, ascending, Valerian, Aquaman, colorful mega budget, nonsense splash into a grand canvas.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:38:25 · David Sims (0.60 sure it was them)

Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Thor: The Dark World → Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery. Skarsgard's penis-showing in the Dark World is likened to the Swedish made penis enlarger pump gag.
    “This feels like the Austin Powers, Swedish made penis enlarger pump.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:26:37 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Avengers: Endgame: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Thor: The Dark World → Avengers: Endgame. Hoping for Sif or Ty Simpkins as a surprise appearance in Endgame.
    “Ty Simpkins is your surprise.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:28:26 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)

Avengers: Infinity War: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Thor: The Dark World → Avengers: Infinity War. The ether is the second Infinity Gem; the speakers tally the stones across Mind, Space, Power, Reality, Time and Soul films.
    “I believe this is the 2nd infinity gem.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:37:38 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Benicio del Toro: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): Benicio del Toro → Thor: The Dark World. Del Toro's Collector first appears in the Dark World post-credits and has been used little since.
    “How much is he in dark world?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Guardians of the Galaxy · 1:00:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Black Panther: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Thor: The Dark World → Black Panther. Black Panther does Thor-style city-under-attack better than Asgard, which never reads as a city or a planet.
    “You never really understand if Asgard is a city or a planet.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:59:42 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Doctor Who: 1 line lineage ×1

  1. lineage (lineage): Thor: The Dark World → Doctor Who. Marvel in general is indebted to Doctor Who's tone of lightness, comedy, hope and teamwork, especially the Russell T Davies era.
    “I think Marvel in general is very kind of indebted to Doctor Who with the same tone of like lightness and comedy and hope and team teamwork.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 2:02:06 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Don Payne: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Thor: The Dark World → Don Payne. Don Payne wrote the original draft, his last script; the portal-fight gimmick likely came from his comedy and Simpsons background.
    “I wouldn't be surprised if this was a thing that Don Payne brought in.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:45:38 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Dreamgirls: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Dreamgirls. Same idea as Dreamgirls, which builds to introducing Jennifer Hudson.
    “Dream Girls does a similar thing where they build up...”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:59:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Idris Elba: 1 line industry ×1

  1. industry (industry): Thor: The Dark World → Idris Elba. Heimdall is where it shows Elba is too famous for the role; the franchise gives him an action scene to keep him.
    “Idris Elba is officially too famous for this role.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:39:52 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Jason X: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Thor: The Dark World → Jason X. A spaceship is enough to win the speakers over, even Jason X's.
    “Easiest way to win me over is put one spaceship in the movie, and I'm at least a little bit.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:22:00 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Jupiter Ascending: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Thor: The Dark World → Jupiter Ascending. Same family of lore-heavy, simple hero's-journey spectacle.
    “Think of films like Jupe, ascending, Valerian, Aquaman”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:38:25 · David Sims (0.60 sure it was them)

Kramer Morgenthau: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Kramer Morgenthau. After naming the cinematographer, the speaker says the film has its own look, palette and cinematic language, distinct from Iron Man 3.
    “This movie also has like its own look.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:31:28 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Michael Giacchino: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Michael Giacchino → Thor: The Dark World. The speakers ask whether The Dark World is the first Marvel film to open with the Giacchino Marvel Studios fanfare.
    “Is this the 1st one with the Giacchino?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:15:51 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)

Mission: Impossible – Fallout: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Mission: Impossible – Fallout. Credits that run least to most important, with the star last, as in Fallout, parallel the cast roll here.
    “I like it that in the Mission Impossible Fallout, they save Tom for last.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:58:58 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)

Monsters, Inc.: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Monsters, Inc.. The portal-hopping final fight is like the door-chasing end of Monsters, Inc.
    “It's like the end of Monsters Inc. where they keep on going through the doors.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:46:58 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Natalie Portman: 1 line what-if ×1

  1. what-if (what-if): Thor: The Dark World → Natalie Portman. Portman had approval over director and script; the Jenkins firing is why she was done with these movies.
    “She didn't have anything on the Alan Taylor thing, and she was like, I'm done with these.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:15:05 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)

No Strings Attached: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Thor: The Dark World → No Strings Attached. Portman plays in a rom-com fish-out-of-water mode like her No Strings Attached performance.
    “Natalie is in like no strings attached mode”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:29:28 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Spider-Man: 1 line people ×1

  1. people (people): Thor: The Dark World → Spider-Man. Running Tony Lip joke: he played every person on the rail car in Raimi's Spider-Man.
    “People forget that Tony Lip played every single person on the rail car in the 1st Raimi Spider-Man.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:18:21 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Star Wars (Return of the Jedi / Jabba's palace): 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Thor: The Dark World → Star Wars (Return of the Jedi / Jabba's palace). A fire-world portal is called Mustafar, kicking off a long Star Wars riff on Jabba's palace and Sy Snootles voiced as a Tony Lip bouncer.
    “Yeah, it's Mustafar.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:50:18 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Stellan Skarsgard: 1 line career ×1

  1. career (career): Stellan Skarsgard → Thor: The Dark World. Skarsgard is naked in more movies than clothed; he must have negotiated a nude scene in his Marvel deal.
    “Scott Scarsgard is naked in more movies than he's clothed.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:32:27 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

Tarsem Singh: 1 line contrast ×1

  1. contrast (contrast): Thor: The Dark World → Tarsem Singh. The film reads as if Tarsem Singh directed a Thor movie, a little less bespoke.
    “this one kind of looks like if Tarsum Singh directed a Thor movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:49:04 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

The Fate of the Furious: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → The Fate of the Furious. The London flat where Thor and Jane land looks like the penthouse where the Fast & Furious gang drinks Budweisers at the end of Fate.
    “It sort of looks like the flat where they Fast and Furious gang gathers at the end of fate.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:54:27 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

The Nutcracker and the Four Realms: 1 line programming ×1

  1. programming (programming): The Nutcracker and the Four Realms → Thor: The Dark World. Joking that a 'four realms' film from the director of Captain America should have had nine realms.
    “He won't settle for four.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:50:31 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

The Simpsons: 1 line craft ×1

  1. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → The Simpsons. The portal landing in odd places reminds the speaker of a Simpsons Homer/Bart stunt episode.
    “Do you remember when Bart starts jumping on his bike and Homer does it and then he falls down the cliff for like ever?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:47:36 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

While You Were Sleeping: 1 line theme ×1

  1. theme (theme): Thor: The Dark World → While You Were Sleeping. Jane's fake-out (it was all a dream) is likened to While You Were Sleeping with Peter Gallagher and Bill Pullman.
    “Well, Jane Foster was sleeping.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:32:23 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)

Where it came up

What was said about it, by kind

career (2)

  1. career (career): Thor: The Dark World → No Strings Attached. Portman plays in a rom-com fish-out-of-water mode like her No Strings Attached performance.
    “Natalie is in like no strings attached mode”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:29:28 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. career (career): Stellan Skarsgard → Thor: The Dark World. Skarsgard is naked in more movies than clothed; he must have negotiated a nude scene in his Marvel deal.
    “Scott Scarsgard is naked in more movies than he's clothed.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:32:27 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

contrast (8)

  1. contrast (contrast): Guardians of the Galaxy → Thor: The Dark World. A dark elf in a cage reminds them of Thor 2, though they note the Cree villains are a different race from the Dark Elves.
    “These are the same dark elves from the Thorn.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Guardians of the Galaxy · 0:26:24 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. contrast (contrast): Thor: Ragnarok → Thor: The Dark World. Ragnarok flushes nearly all the mythos out of Thor other than Thor and Loki, which the speakers dislike.
    “And they flush almost everything out of the mythos other than Thorn Loke.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:12:16 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. contrast (contrast): Thor: The Dark World → Guardians of the Galaxy. The next film, Guardians, becomes candy colored, which is what that film needs, versus this serious look.
    “you get to like Guardians next and it like becomes like candy colored”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:34:19 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. contrast (contrast): Thor: The Dark World → Iron Man 3. Each Phase 2 film has its own look: this one is serious, Iron Man 3 resembles a 90s action film, Winter Soldier approximates a Sydney Pollack movie, Guardians is candy colored.
    “Iron Man 3 looks like a 90s like action film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:34:27 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. contrast (contrast): Thor: The Dark World → Thor: Ragnarok. The Dark World's palette feels like watercolor fantasy illustration; Ragnarok is full Kirby comic book.
    “closer to like watercolor illustrations in a fantasy novel.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:34:56 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. contrast (contrast): Thor: The Dark World → Tarsem Singh. The film reads as if Tarsem Singh directed a Thor movie, a little less bespoke.
    “this one kind of looks like if Tarsum Singh directed a Thor movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:49:04 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. contrast (contrast): Thor: The Dark World → Black Panther. Black Panther does Thor-style city-under-attack better than Asgard, which never reads as a city or a planet.
    “You never really understand if Asgard is a city or a planet.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:59:42 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. contrast (contrast): Thor: The Dark World → Jason X. A spaceship is enough to win the speakers over, even Jason X's.
    “Easiest way to win me over is put one spaceship in the movie, and I'm at least a little bit.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:22:00 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

craft (12)

  1. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Game of Thrones. The film aims for a grounded, muddy fantasy in the Game of Thrones manner, away from Branagh's version.
    “We want to make a more grounded fantasy away from the bran off.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:11:39 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Michael Giacchino → Thor: The Dark World. The speakers ask whether The Dark World is the first Marvel film to open with the Giacchino Marvel Studios fanfare.
    “Is this the 1st one with the Giacchino?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:15:51 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)
  3. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Thor. The Dark World goes further in both directions on design (older looks plus more tech) while Branagh's Thor split the difference in a murky middle.
    “I think, like, Branagh is splitting the difference too hard and staying in a weird murky middle ground.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:18:52 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)
  4. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Game of Thrones. Asgard's courtyard business and street-level scenes feel like Game of Thrones.
    “Like I still don't understand like this very Game of Thronesy.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:25:52 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  5. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Kramer Morgenthau. After naming the cinematographer, the speaker says the film has its own look, palette and cinematic language, distinct from Iron Man 3.
    “This movie also has like its own look.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:31:28 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Doctor Strange. Doctor Strange does tactile magic well, with sparks, whereas Thor's magic read as CGI doodles elsewhere; the Dark World's has texture.
    “I think Doctor Strange does really well, but they make magic look tactile, which is hard to do.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:51:02 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  7. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → The Lord of the Rings. The ether lodging in Jane and slowly corrupting her is like the One Ring and Frodo.
    “It's sort of almost the like the ring for Frodo-esque.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:09:40 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  8. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Monsters, Inc.. The portal-hopping final fight is like the door-chasing end of Monsters, Inc.
    “It's like the end of Monsters Inc. where they keep on going through the doors.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:46:58 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  9. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → The Simpsons. The portal landing in odd places reminds the speaker of a Simpsons Homer/Bart stunt episode.
    “Do you remember when Bart starts jumping on his bike and Homer does it and then he falls down the cliff for like ever?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:47:36 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  10. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → The Fate of the Furious. The London flat where Thor and Jane land looks like the penthouse where the Fast & Furious gang drinks Budweisers at the end of Fate.
    “It sort of looks like the flat where they Fast and Furious gang gathers at the end of fate.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:54:27 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  11. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Mission: Impossible – Fallout. Credits that run least to most important, with the star last, as in Fallout, parallel the cast roll here.
    “I like it that in the Mission Impossible Fallout, they save Tom for last.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:58:58 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)
  12. craft (craft): Thor: The Dark World → Dreamgirls. Same idea as Dreamgirls, which builds to introducing Jennifer Hudson.
    “Dream Girls does a similar thing where they build up...”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:59:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

industry (5)

  1. industry (industry): Thor: The Dark World → Iron Man 3. This and Iron Man 3 are the first Marvel films with no Paramount logo before the Avengers logo.
    “this and Iron Man 3 are the 1st 2 movies fully devoid of Paramount, right?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:16:14 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry): Thor: The Dark World → Thor. Dark World opened to 85 million, up from 65 for the first Thor, but is the lowest grossing sequel in the MCU.
    “It's also the lowest grossing sequel in the MCU.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:26:54 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. industry (industry): Thor: The Dark World → Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The Dark World opened higher than Thor 1, but Winter Soldier made a bigger bump, as Thor had made more than Captain America to start.
    “But the Winter Soldier also had a bigger bump to make because Thor made more than Captain America.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:27:08 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. industry (industry): Thor: The Dark World → Avengers: Infinity War. The ether is the second Infinity Gem; the speakers tally the stones across Mind, Space, Power, Reality, Time and Soul films.
    “I believe this is the 2nd infinity gem.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:37:38 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. industry (industry): Thor: The Dark World → Idris Elba. Heimdall is where it shows Elba is too famous for the role; the franchise gives him an action scene to keep him.
    “Idris Elba is officially too famous for this role.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:39:52 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

lineage (4)

  1. lineage (lineage): Thor: The Dark World → The Lord of the Rings. The Dark Elf war prologue and design is Lord of the Rings style ancient-story fantasy.
    “This is some sort of like Lord of the Rings stuff where it's sort of like, you know, this is an ancient story.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:17:10 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Thor: The Dark World → The Avengers. The Dark World is the correction to Joss Whedon cracking Loki: he becomes co-lead, Thor 1A to Loki 1B.
    “This is the correction to Joss Whedon cracking Loki, where they're like, we get it now.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:20:47 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage): Thor: The Dark World → The Avengers. Avengers ends with the team scattering, which is why the Phase 2 sequels can stand alone.
    “And also, Joss Wheaton's like master stroke at the end of Avengers is like, we're not a team.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:30:50 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. lineage (lineage): Thor: The Dark World → Doctor Who. Marvel in general is indebted to Doctor Who's tone of lightness, comedy, hope and teamwork, especially the Russell T Davies era.
    “I think Marvel in general is very kind of indebted to Doctor Who with the same tone of like lightness and comedy and hope and team teamwork.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 2:02:06 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

people (2)

  1. people (people): Thor: The Dark World → Spider-Man. Running Tony Lip joke: he played every person on the rail car in Raimi's Spider-Man.
    “People forget that Tony Lip played every single person on the rail car in the 1st Raimi Spider-Man.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:18:21 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. people (people): Thor: The Dark World → Don Payne. Don Payne wrote the original draft, his last script; the portal-fight gimmick likely came from his comedy and Simpsons background.
    “I wouldn't be surprised if this was a thing that Don Payne brought in.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:45:38 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)

programming (4)

  1. programming (programming): Benicio del Toro → Thor: The Dark World. Del Toro's Collector first appears in the Dark World post-credits and has been used little since.
    “How much is he in dark world?”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Guardians of the Galaxy · 1:00:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. programming (programming): Captain America: The Winter Soldier → Thor: The Dark World. Dark World is the high-fantasy entry in the same one-genre-per-film scheme.
    “Dark World is like high fantasy.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Captain America: The Winter Soldier · 0:14:14 · unknown (0.35 sure it was them)
  3. programming (programming): The Nutcracker and the Four Realms → Thor: The Dark World. Joking that a 'four realms' film from the director of Captain America should have had nine realms.
    “He won't settle for four.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:50:31 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. programming (programming): Thor: The Dark World → Guardians of the Galaxy. The Collector mid-credits scene already shows the Guardians' comic space weirdness; the speaker thinks James Gunn directed it.
    “I think gun directed this. It's 100% difficult.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:59:51 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)

theme (7)

  1. theme (theme): Thor: The Dark World → Crazy Rich Asians. Like Crazy Rich Asians, the real romance is the lead and the mother figure; Thor's love is figurehead-level.
    “Crazy Rich Asians is really the romance between her and the mother”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:18:22 · David Sims (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. theme (theme): Thor: The Dark World → Crazy Rich Asians. The fish-out-of-water romance with a world of high society and Frigga as the mother echoes Crazy Rich Asians.
    “Well, because this is also her kind of crazy rich Asians where it's like, this is a world that I don't know.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:29:33 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. theme (theme): Thor: The Dark World → Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery. Skarsgard's penis-showing in the Dark World is likened to the Swedish made penis enlarger pump gag.
    “This feels like the Austin Powers, Swedish made penis enlarger pump.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:26:37 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. theme (theme): Thor: The Dark World → While You Were Sleeping. Jane's fake-out (it was all a dream) is likened to While You Were Sleeping with Peter Gallagher and Bill Pullman.
    “Well, Jane Foster was sleeping.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:32:23 · David Sims (0.35 sure it was them)
  5. theme (theme): Thor: The Dark World → Alita: Battle Angel. Griffin's line from his Alita review frames this film: he is defenseless before silly sci-fi epics that dump lore through a simple hero's journey, like Jupiter Ascending, Valerian, Aquaman.
    “Think of films like Jupe, ascending, Valerian, Aquaman, colorful mega budget, nonsense splash into a grand canvas.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:38:25 · David Sims (0.60 sure it was them)
  6. theme (theme): Thor: The Dark World → Jupiter Ascending. Same family of lore-heavy, simple hero's-journey spectacle.
    “Think of films like Jupe, ascending, Valerian, Aquaman”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:38:25 · David Sims (0.60 sure it was them)
  7. theme (theme): Thor: The Dark World → Star Wars (Return of the Jedi / Jabba's palace). A fire-world portal is called Mustafar, kicking off a long Star Wars riff on Jabba's palace and Sy Snootles voiced as a Tony Lip bouncer.
    “Yeah, it's Mustafar.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:50:18 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

verdict (3)

  1. verdict (verdict): Thor: The Dark World → Doctor Strange. Doctor Strange fails on comedy, trying too hard to make Strange like Tony Stark; they should have owned being po-faced like this earnest film.
    “That movie conclusively fails on the comedy front.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:36:31 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  2. verdict (verdict): Thor: Ragnarok → Thor: The Dark World. The speakers feel Ragnarok mocks fans who liked this film and the mythos it embraced.
    “feels like Ragnarok is making fun of us for liking this movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:56:30 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  3. verdict (verdict): Thor: The Dark World → Thor. Dark World is the better brother movie; Thor's Thor-Loki rivalry feels underdeveloped.
    “Dark World is better. They tapped into the brother dynamic.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:39:18 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

what-if (6)

  1. what-if (what-if): Thor: The Dark World → Patty Jenkins. The film fired original director Patty Jenkins and replaced her with Game of Thrones TV director Alan Taylor.
    “It fired its director, Patty Jenkins.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:11:28 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. what-if (what-if): Thor: The Dark World → Patty Jenkins. Jenkins is described as the director Natalie Portman wanted, and Portman left the franchise after Jenkins was fired without her approval.
    “Paige Jenkins was who she wanted.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:15:01 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  3. what-if (what-if): Thor: The Dark World → Natalie Portman. Portman had approval over director and script; the Jenkins firing is why she was done with these movies.
    “She didn't have anything on the Alan Taylor thing, and she was like, I'm done with these.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:15:05 · David Sims (0.45 sure it was them)
  4. what-if (what-if): Thor: The Dark World → Thor: Ragnarok. Thor: Ragnarok also loses Sif and Natalie Portman's Jane; the speakers wish Sif had returned for Endgame.
    “Maybe she's an endgame.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:28:21 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. what-if (what-if): Thor: The Dark World → Avengers: Endgame. Hoping for Sif or Ty Simpkins as a surprise appearance in Endgame.
    “Ty Simpkins is your surprise.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:28:26 · Griffin Newman (0.35 sure it was them)
  6. what-if (what-if): Thor: The Dark World → Patty Jenkins. What Jenkins wanted to make was a romance first and foremost, and the romantic comedy half of the finished film is read as that movie surviving.
    “She kept on saying she really wants to make a romance 1st and foremost.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:29:52 · Griffin Newman (0.45 sure it was them)

Fun items about it

  1. fun, about Thor: The Dark World: See the scene where Jane slaps Loki on first meeting him again, 'for New York'.
    “That was for New York.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:17:53 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. fun, about Thor: The Dark World: The brothers-in-a-boat scene: a speaker admits being choked up, the movie hit the brother spot.
    “this movie hit me right in this brother spot.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:25:07 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  3. fun, about Thor: The Dark World: The portal fight is where the hammer, with Thor out of the world, zooms around looking for him, then zooms back.
    “I also like that every time Thor's out of the world, the hammer just kind of like starts zooming around because he doesn't know where to go.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:47:48 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  4. fun, about Thor: The Dark World: The climactic portal fight, set up as a gimmick for forty-five minutes: characters zap between Greenwich, Vanaheim and Frostland; a Frost Beast turns up; Thor throws a car at Malekith.
    “He throws the car on him.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:48:56 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)
  5. fun, about Thor: The Dark World: Malekith is portaled in pieces, and says he's fine, like Monty Python's Black Knight.
    “I like how Melachi tries to be like, I'm fine.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:52:11 · Griffin Newman (0.40 sure it was them)
  6. fun, about Thor: The Dark World: Griffin overhypes the final fight from the opening credits.
    “I shouldn't have started talking up the gimmick at the opening credits of this one.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 1:54:01 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  7. fun, about Thor: The Dark World: After the nudity-search tangent, they recall Skarsgard is naked in Dark World but the film blurs it out.
    “I forgot he's naked in Dark World, but they blur it out.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 1:06:47 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Who the speakers said made it

As said on the shows, not checked against the real credits.