Loves Marvel's cosmic, ragtag-team side and the animated Rocket/Groot heart; affectionate about the sillier comic characters. Dislikes humorless gray franchise filmmaking and bad needle drops. A sucker for a ragtag group, a Trek-style space comedy, and a Han Solo type inside an ensemble. Speaker attribution in this transcript is uncertain.
Stances
Gunn is a real filmmaker who won his arguments with Marvel
Quill is the best Han Solo since Han Solo
Rocket and Groot are one of the best big/small duos
Humor: Talks in self-aware bits (the countdown clock, chronic lateness) and makes dirty-minded pile-ons with the room.
In their words
“I just don't get how, like, people saw this movie who had not seen every Marvel movie for sure.” (0:24:45)
“That's the other big thing is that gun was a troma guy.” (0:36:18)
Marvel completist who loves the series' smaller character beats (Agent Carter, Peggy, Falcon, Sam Jackson's Fury) and defends Infinity War. Loves action built from hand-to-hand fights and movie-star dialogue scenes. Allergic to bad-faith villain motives and to the cheap CGI leaps. Suckers for old tech, spy-bureaucracy aesthetic and New Hollywood stars.
Stances
Winter Soldier is great until the final Helicarrier act
Prefers small-scale hand-to-hand action to CGI set pieces
Loves Agent Carter and wants it back
Mild on Bucky/Winter Soldier himself
Humor: Rapid riffs, character voices, self-deprecating anecdotes and overlong running bits that derail the commentary.
In their words
“I just love this sequence” (0:08:33)
“I think this movie's basically terrific until the final seppies” (0:12:41)
Loves lore-heavy, dorky, earnest sci-fi fantasy with real sets, tactile design and a spaceship in it; likes the Thor mythos and Sif. Dislikes things that mock their own source material (Ragnarok) and thinks the first Thor is too clean. A sucker for spectacle that dumps lore on a simple hero's journey.
Stances
Dark World is the most underappreciated Marvel film
Ragnarok disrespects the mythos
Practical, tactile design beats cartoony CGI
Humor: Rapid riffing wordplay and long running bits (Tony Lip as pizza), eagerly undercutting his own sincerity.
In their words
“I'm defenseless before any dizzyingly silly sci-fi epic that downloads gigabytes of lore into the viewer's brain by means of a simple hero's journey narrative.” (1:38:17)
Loves Iron Man 3 as his favorite MCU film for its character study and how it turns superhero loneliness into anxiety and panic. Collects $20 off-the-shelf action figures and Hot Toys Robocop, and cherishes buddy-cop 80s action and well-built set pieces. Dislikes suits that are just mush CGI and wet-cement final fights.
Stances
Iron Man 3 is a masterpiece and anyone who dislikes it is wrong
Tony should be out of the suit; the film works because he is not Iron Man for most of it
Marvel should have let the Rebecca Hall villain stand
Loves Whedon-era dialogue, Buffy and Firefly, Kenneth Lonergan, and character-driven ensemble action; sucker for actors having fun and clever setups paid off. Dislikes homogenized Marvel visuals, rock-song tags, and Grindelwald's Crimes. Allergic to a Christmas tree and moose.
Stances
Whedon's script is the star; the film is not visually distinguished
Ruffalo is the movie's best performance
Costume detail (neckcloth) bothers him
Grindelwald should be as fun as Loki
Humor: Spends bits on celebrity impressions (Downey, Timberlake, Tom Waits) and mock-pompous asides.
In their words
“I'm still like a big Buffy fan, a big old-fashioned Wii. I love Firefly, right?” (0:04:21)
“This is what I want Grindewald to be like...” (0:40:51)
He loves heightened-but-not-kitschy design, period movies, Peggy Carter, and actors who underplay. He is a sucker for old-fashioned adventure and a Fantastic Four fan. He doesn't like the reasonable-Nazi Zola or the digital-video look of early-2010s effects.
Stances
The film feels like it ends in the middle
Bucky does not work as an emotional anchor
Actors' behavior in food scenes reveals pros from novices
Humor: Self-deprecating personal stories, about being 90 pounds and eating four cheeseburgers at his Disney store job.
In their words
“I was so grossly underweight and I felt like it was a hindrance to my career because I looked skeleton.” (0:18:15)
A Masters of the Universe devotee who reaches for He-Man as the template for Thor, loves the hammer payoff, and is a sucker for Cat Dennings and Sif. Dislikes the desaturated palette and the cheap-looking Jotunheim. Has the clearest pop-culture and actor-career recall, with skits and personal anecdotes.
Stances
Thor is a remake of Masters of the Universe
The movie looks ugly and desaturated
Hemsworth's performance and chemistry work
Not yet sold on Thor as a character until Avengers and Dark World
Humor: Escalating bits that run for minutes, like the Skarsgard-nudity search and buried jeans.
In their words
“It's mostly just a remake of the live action masters of the universe movie.” (0:03:54)
“I'm searching Stellen Starsgard full frontal nudity.” (1:12:14)
Loves comic-book lore (Crimson Dynamo, Demon in a Bottle) and Iron Man 3, Galaxy Quest, Garry Shandling. Cannot stand a movie that pads out its middle with self-impressed banter. A sucker for Tartakovsky action.
Stances
Iron Man 3 is the great Iron Man movie
Iron Man 2 mistakes riffing for story
Dark World is a joke best American film
Humor: Riffs and impressions, pumps up bits like the Expo is an element.
In their words
“Iron Man 3 is the greatest movie ever made.” (0:25:19)
“I love Larry Sanders too, but it's Gary Shandling show is like my favorite.” (1:30:55)
Loves Ang Lee's Hulk and is quick to defend Iron Man 2's ambitions; hates bad CGI faces and generic action presets; a sucker for chain restaurants, pizza and Marvel lore.
Stances
Ang Lee's Hulk is good and this one is a corrective with no point
Edward Norton is miscast and unengaged
Iron Man 2 fails more interestingly
Humor: Absurdist riffing, sung bits, and escalating food and chain-restaurant tangents.
Loves Marvel comics deeply (Ultimate line, Ms. Marvel, Franklin Richards), actor-driven performances, and looseness; hates a studio-polished formula and a reporter sleeping with the subject trope. A sucker for comic-book film process scenes, the Comic-Con trailer era, and the Tick.
Stances
Iron Man is solid but not beloved; the post-credits Fury scene blew his mind
Prefers Iron Man's visible machinery to nanobite suits
Thinks Infinity War is a triumph, others disagree
Humor: Riffs and bits about his own history (Times Square apartment, 99-cent pizza, Avatar audition).
In their words
“I remember liking this movie. I didn't love it, but I remember feeling... Oh, I fucking loved this movie.” (1:13:42)
Obsessive about National Treasure and the minutiae of movie culture, and a Nancy Meyers admirer who frames her as a souffle filmmaker. Cares about Oscar-season lore and montages. Likes that Nicholson is vulnerable and unvain in this film.
Stances
Nancy Meyers is a souffle filmmaker whose perfectionism serves a fantasy for the audience (attributed at moderate confidence)
The film is a deconstruction of Nicholson's persona and aged better than It's Complicated (speaker uncertain)
Humor: Fast riffing and bits (Keanu impression, Transformers totems), plus running gags about Brenton Thwaites and National Treasure 3.
In their words
“Interesting bringing that up because I'm going to actually draw a big national treasure parallel in this episode to something that's got to give.” (0:11:12)
“And I feel like Nancy is like a souffle filmmaker” (1:33:22)
Loves high-concept, big-swing filmmaking and sees deep emotion in the fights of CTHD; adores sword-and-flight spectacle, dumb-sweet characters like Inspector Tsai, and Lady Bird comparisons. Can't stand Brett Ratner and tired-looking Marvel fights; a sucker for bit-heavy tangents.
Stances
CTHD's fights carry story and character
US action movies are bad because they lack talent and time
Disliked CTHD at 11, later realized it is great
Humor: Escalating riffs and callbacks, crude and silly puns, voices.
In their words
“I was so literal minded where I was like, but they don't explain why they can fly.” (0:17:40)
“11 year old Griffin was laughing and like 29 year old Griffin was crying.” (1:00:34)
Loves The Ice Storm and defends Hulk-era Ang Lee; treats it as a sad Fantastic Four movie. Hates the see-the-ending-first structure in general. A sucker for Elliott Gould and comic-book metaphors.
Stances
Ice Storm is a masterpiece and the best Lee film not starring a Marvel hero
Fantastic Four deserves a sad, isolated, family movie
Dislikes in-media-res openings but accepts this one
Humor: Dry riffing, running bits, and confessional anecdotes about his own near-misses.
In their words
“He put his hand on my shoulder and he went, you're family.” (0:29:17)
“this movie does make me wish that he gotten the chance to make a sad, fantastic four movie.” (1:34:30)
Loves Bigelow's tension and iconography, and Curtis's grounded, empathetic underplaying. Dislikes Mother!'s lack of an anchor. A sucker for character actors and the way a movie's scenes hold the whole thing in micro.
Stances
Blue Steel is top-tier Bigelow and a rediscovery candidate
The movie is about gender and tension, and every scene plays differently if she were a man
Humor: Riffs on nicknames and bits, running gags like 'David and I' variations.
In their words
“My father's a professor at NYU, and he needed guest speakers, and so we talked about podcasting to his class.” (0:26:44)
Loves the film's loneliness and the hardcore Crowe-ness; he's a defender of this movie after rewatching, gives it A minus or B plus. Can't stand the way Cruz is shoved into a romance with no chemistry. A sucker for Kurt Russell, Jason Lee and a good bit.
Stances
Vanilla Sky is the loneliest movie ever made
Defends the movie after first seeing it two years ago on Netflix
Is going through a breakup and keeps working it into the episode
Humor: Self-lacerating, prop comedy and long running bits (sunglasses, catchphrases).
In their words
“It's the loneliest movie ever made.” (0:34:00)
“I'm going through a psychological free fall.” (0:00:55)
Attribution to Griffin versus David is low-confidence (no labels). One host loves Muppets and puppetry and rewatched this on video as a child; the same side loses patience over CGI special-edition changes and the Marcia Lucas theory. Likes conclusions and wrapped-up stories; can't stand Lucas's digital embellishments.
Stances
Special-edition CGI additions hurt Jedi most
Puppets and practical creatures are the movie's strength
Lucas is a sympathetic, wounded figure
Humor: Escalating comic fury, bits about the Empire as a workplace comedy and Santa-hat table dressing.
In their words
“I fucking love Muppets, as you know.” (0:09:53)
“I think the puppetry's so good.” (0:57:07)
Their shows' recurring bits
Running bits, not opinions; a critic read aloud is cited, not present.
The Big Picture
Drafts: Hosts and guests draft films in rounds; every pick is a recommendation with an argument.
Hall of Fame: A star's or director's best, ranked and argued.
Countdowns: Ranked lists, top five or top ten.
Blank Check with Griffin & David
The box office game: Guessing the film's opening weekend and what it was up against.
The sung theme: "Blank Check with Griffin and David", sung; the transcriber garbles it.
Their claims
Showing 901–1,000 of 1,162 claims.
career (career):
Brad Dourif → Deadwood (TV).
Dourif was Emmy-nominated on Deadwood and had a recurring Star Trek Voyager part.
career (career):
Ron Perlman → Guillermo del Toro.
Perlman says his American career was saved by Jeunet and Del Toro, who cast him in Cronos and City of Lost Children.
“my American career was entirely saved by Gene and Del Toro.”
contrast (contrast):
Alien Resurrection → Terminator: Dark Fate.
Studios kept trying to make Terminator something different, unlike Alien's willingness to hire dark people.
“Versus, I feel like 3 Terminator movies in a row where they were like, I don't know, can we make it into something different?”
career (career):
Sigourney Weaver → Political Animals (TV).
Weaver played a Hillary Clinton-like figure on the miniseries Political Animals, which Griffin was on.
what-if (what-if):
Alien → Neill Blomkamp.
A Neill Blomkamp-type director might some day talk the studio into an Earth-set Alien sequel; Disney will do something.
“I live in fear of the sort of Neil Blonde camp-esque director”
industry (industry):
Alien Resurrection → The Jackal.
Number five was The Jackal, a remake of The Day of the Jackal with Bruce Willis and Richard Gere.
unmapped (merchandise):
Aliens (toy line) → Alien 3.
The animal-aliens toy line sold under the Aliens brand around Alien 3, and the idea of multiple infected animals was once a story premise.
“But there was a point where the premise was that you were going to have multiple face huggers infecting different animals”
career (career):
Greg Kinnear → As Good as It Gets.
Ephron and Delia wanted the actor after his As Good as It Gets notices and he was about to blow up.
“Uh, it's Delia Nora Efron, go see as good as it gets.”
industry (industry):
Greg Kinnear → You've Got Mail.
Kinnear agreed to take the part on condition that his character's exit be the softer restaurant scene.
“Kinnear said, I'll do the movie if this is how my character line ends.”
industry (industry):
Nora Ephron → Amy Pascal.
Ephron's films usually began with a powerful woman producer or executive: Pascal, Obst, here Schuler Donner.
“So like so much of her career is like Amy Pascal and Linda Opst, and this one is Lauren Schuler Donner.”
lineage (lineage):
You've Got Mail → The Shop Around the Corner.
Warner Brothers inherited the Turner library and the producer picked The Shop Around the Corner to remake.
“Lauren Schuler Donner looks at the library and goes, huh, shop around the corner.”
contrast (contrast):
You've Got Mail → The Shop Around the Corner.
In every earlier version the rivals are coworkers whose jobs are at stake; here they run rival businesses and she is not poor.
“So so much of the rivalry between the 2 characters is they're fighting for who becomes the most valuable employee of this store because if one of them nudges out the other, their entire life might be ruined.”
lineage (lineage):
You've Got Mail → Ninotchka.
Ephron borrowed the idea of rivals who are two sides of one coin from a Lubitsch picture.
“I mean she's pulling from like a different Lubich movie, which is here are 2 people who are opposite sides of the coin, don't realize they get along that way.”
craft (craft):
You've Got Mail → The Shop Around the Corner.
Three scenes appear almost verbatim in all three screen versions, including the friend's line about her coloring.
“3 scenes that exist almost verbatim in all 3 movie versions, which are the scene with the friend, the Dave Chappelle scene where he takes a look at her.”
what-if (what-if):
Nicolas Cage → Michael.
Swap Cage and Travolta: Cage in Michael, Travolta in City of Angels, since Cage is weirder and Travolta the better romantic lead.
“I think Nicholas Cage should have played Michael and John Travolta should have been in City of Angels with Meg Ryan.”
theme (theme):
Hanging Up → Mixed Nuts.
Like a movie a guest watched alone as a child, Hanging Up is a household movie in the speaker's sibling relationship.
“movies that are like, this is a household movie.”
craft (craft):
Diane Keaton → Hanging Up.
Keaton says she leaves actors alone, yet the film's big choices came in the editing room with gauzy crossfades.
“her biggest decisions are being made in the editing room at this movie.”
craft (craft):
Hanging Up → Elizabeth.
The score comes from the composer of Elizabeth and Shine and is more conventional or weighty than expected.
“the score from this movie is done by the man who did the score, his 2 previous, like, big scores before this, his 2 Oscar nominations were Elizabeth, and Shine.”
industry (industry):
Tracee Ellis Ross → Hanging Up.
Tracee Ellis Ross in a thankless assistant role is offered as an example of women of color in service roles in 90s rom-coms.
“you see a lot of like women of color showing up in thankless roles either as like service workers or personal assistants”
contrast (contrast):
Hanging Up → Sleepless in Seattle.
Ephron made chemistry between leads who never share a room in Sleepless; Hanging Up's phone-separated sisters lack it.
“Nora Efron made a fucking movie, Sleepless in Seattle, where your 2 leads have chemistry together, despite not actually speaking until the last 10 minutes of the movie.”
industry (industry):
Hanging Up → Funny People.
Rich-person movies cost more because the locations must be rented and filled, as Apatow said of Funny People.
“it costs a lot of money to make a movie about a rich person.”
contrast (contrast):
Hanging Up → You've Got Mail.
You've Got Mail still holds up because it understood email's psychology; Hanging Up's phone premise has aged out.
“you've got mail and you're like, they understood the psychological and sociological impact of email, even if the technology changed.”
programming (programming):
The Tigger Movie → Walt Disney Company.
Disney was releasing Pooh movies meant for direct-to-video in theaters outside its summer and holiday windows.
“the only movies they weren't dropping in summer or holiday season were those poo movies”
people (people):
Terry Windell → The Tick.
Griffin says Windell was special effects supervisor on every episode of The Tick and mourns his sudden death after wrapping.
“he was the special effects supervisor on every episode of the tech.”
contrast (contrast):
Chris Gethard → Shane Gillis.
Recurring joke: Gethard doesn't like Shane Gillis; the original Blankies host plan fell through when Gillis got in trouble.
contrast (contrast):
Florence Pugh → Candice Bergen.
Griffin dubs Pugh the new Candice Bergen, who is the new LeBron James, because all three 'get buckets' and are great on Instagram.
“Because Florence Pugh is the new Candace Bergen, who is the new LeBron James because she gets fucking buckets.”
contrast (contrast):
Doctor Sleep → Roman J. Israel, Esq..
A film Griffin half-liked whose director's cut may turn out to be amazing, like Roman J. Israel (named as a past analog).
“That's the Roman J Israel this year where I'm like, that movie that I kind of liked but had problems with might be amazing.”
verdict (verdict):
Judi Dench → Cats.
Fifth supporting-actress nominee: Dench's pure presence and commitment to something ridiculous is the hardest, most impressive performance of the year.
“that is the hardest and most impressive performance of the year.”
contrast (contrast):
Judi Dench → Ian McKellen.
Everyone praises McKellen in Cats, but Dench's performance is mostly others talking about how important she is while it cuts back to her.
“And so much of Judy's performance is literally just other people talking about how she's the most important creature in the world and them cutting back to her.”
career (career):
Annette Bening → 20th Century Women.
The 20th Century Women snub was 'about as bad as the election of Donald Trump'; Bening snubbed twice running.
“Well, the 20th century woman snub is about as bad as like the election of Donald Trump.”
verdict (verdict):
Jamie Bell → Rocketman.
Bell is the heart of Rocketman; his David Oyelowo award for the hardest job, playing a decent, uncomplicated person.
“It is my David Oyello award for the thing that's toughest to do, which is just to play a decent on complicated person.”
contrast (contrast):
Sophie Okonedo → Ricky and the Flash.
Like the Audra McDonald scene in Ricky and the Flash, Okonedo's role has layers from racial dynamics that make it unclear whether script or casting supplied them.
“That the Audra McDonald scene, where there are all these interesting layers added because of the racial dynamics of it”
verdict (verdict):
Sophie Okonedo → Wild Rose.
Late shout-out: Okonedo plays the nuance of a 'white savior'-sounding story with flipped dynamics in every moment.
“Sophie Akinado plays the sort of nuance of that in every moment, is incredibly compelling and impressive to me.”
contrast (contrast):
Toy Story 4 → Frozen 2.
Toy Story 4 is lumped with Frozen 2 and Rise of Skywalker as films that threw out the entire screenplay and started over.
“Toy Story 4 falls into this weird thing of like Frozen 2 and Rise of Skywalker”
industry (industry):
Stephanie Folsom → Toy Story 4.
Final credit is Folsom and Stanton; earlier drafts from other writers over many failed attempts were 'insulting and disastrous'.
“The final credit is Stephanie Folsom and Andrew Stanton.”
verdict (verdict):
Antonio Banderas → Pain and Glory.
Banderas is Griffin's best actor winner; he saw an early screening and cats trailer dropped the same day.
“Banderas, I will always have close to my heart because I saw pain and glory.”
unmapped (anecdote):
Pain and Glory → Cats.
Griffin first saw the Cats trailer on his phone in the hallway outside the Pain and Glory screening, so the two are wrapped together in his head.
“And so like that and pain and glory have been like wrapped up in my head.”
verdict (verdict):
K Callan → Knives Out.
Putters and Murmurs shout-out; who played 'Mock Kent' on Lewis and Clark: the Adventures of Superman (as transcribed).
“But K. Callan, who played Mock Kent on Lewis and Clark the Adventures of Superman.”
verdict (verdict):
Robert De Niro → The Irishman.
De Niro wins the 'Mark Wahlberg Award': will a movie into existence, produce it, play the lead well, and let everyone else get nominated.
“De Niro wins the Mark Wahlberg Award for the year”
contrast (contrast):
Robert De Niro → Mark Wahlberg.
De Niro wins the 'Mark Wahlberg Award' of the year, like Wahlberg's The Fighter: a quiet-hero producer-star who gets only a picture nomination.
fun, about
The Lego Batman Movie:
Robin has not figured out Batman and Bruce Wayne are the same person: Bruce Wayne lives in Batman's attic, and Batman says Bruce told him it's okay to hang out.
“he has to be like, uh, Bruce told me it's okay for you to hang out with me.”
fun, about
The Lego Batman Movie:
Animators keep the Lego limits: arms rotate and swing but never bend, though shoulders may dislocate to cross the chest.
“but they'll let the entire arm sort of like remove from the body and turn inwards.”
fun, about
Lego (company):
Lego ruled the 90s by building its own mythologies each year, with Johnny Thunder as its Indiana Jones hero, before the 1999 Star Wars deal.
“There's Johnny Thunder, who is their attempt to create like an Indiana Jones style hero”
fun, about
The Lego Batman Movie:
A listener built Lego versions of the hosts; the builder, Dave Colletta, became a top contestant on Lego Masters, which Arnett hosts.
“And the guy who built the figures of us became like one of the best contestants on this fucking show.”
fun, about
The Lego Batman Movie:
Phantom Zone includes Sauron as a talking tower, Voldemort turning people to fish, the Wicked Witch, a Gremlin crew, and a Creature from the Black Lagoon.
fun, about
The Lego Batman Movie:
Griffin argues the movie is a flawed pick for David because the IP cameos are shallow; the villains get little screen time.
fun, about
Doctor Who:
Griffin explains a Dalek: it's a garbage can with a plunger because, per him, an arm went missing and a bathroom plunger replaced it.
“they were missing an arm and they took a plunger out of the bathroom.”
fun, about
Old Dogs:
After Justin Long's scout troop shoots a statue's head off, they burn it down and get kicked out.
“After shooting the head off the statue, they stayed there long enough for the sun to go down to light the whole thing on fire, and then they were kicked out.”
fun, about
Griffin Newman:
Griffin's Supergirl bit: Burt Ward and other legends in the opening credits made viewers think Crisis would tie in The Tick.
“For 5 seconds, I think people thought Crisis on Infinite Earth was gonna tie in the tick universe.”
fun, about
Adam West and Frank Gorshin:
The legend that West and Gorshin went to a Hollywood orgy in character and were expelled for doing too many bits.
fun, about
Alien: Covenant:
The Franco footage cooks him alive and Griffin says the 10-second prologue would have made the film's emotional start stronger.
“you kind of really benefit from seeing him for 10 seconds alive, you know?”
fun, about
Danny McBride:
McBride went to film school wanting to write and direct, was cast in friends' films, never auditioned, and said Covenant was what he always wanted to do.
fun, about
The Tick:
Griffin recounts his hardest technical acting scene: Dr. Karamazov shrunk, shot against tennis balls on sticks then redone from his own recorded dialogue.
“the single most challenging thing I've ever had to do as an actor on a technical level is”
fun, about
Alien: Covenant:
Merchandise for the movie showed an earlier, practical-looking xenomorph design before the creature was redone in CGI late in production.
“All of the merchandise for this movie had an incorrect xenomorph design.”
fun, about
Alien Quadrilogy:
The 2003 DVD box set that David calls a word hardly used outside that box; Resurrection got a special edition about seven minutes longer.
“Quadrilogy, a word that has rarely been used outside of that one box.”
fun, about
You've Got Mail:
The fall leaves in the movie are CGI because they shot in the summer, per the commentary track by Ephron and Schuler Donner.
“They're like, all of the fall stuff is CGI, baby.”
fun, about
Dave Chappelle:
Chappelle delivers the odd line 'she has the same coloring as' that was written for an older Eastern European actor in the original.
“if you look up the actor who played the best friend role and shop around the corner, it's like an older Eastern European man with a mustache.”
fun, about
Tom Hanks:
The script supervisor fixed Hanks's block on the Lalo scene: he stays because he is trying to build the courage to say it is him.
“Your motivation, this scene, is you think if you stay longer, you'll finally build the courage to say it.”