Press-screening veteran who found Winter Soldier merely fine at release; likes political-thriller texture and Redford's calm, character acting. Dislikes Marvel villains who justify genocide with logic. Loves Samuel L. Jackson, spy-game lineage and the Russos' TV pilots.
Stances
Looks up facts (the computer guy)
Winter Soldier was a nonplus at release but improves on rewatch
Redford's underplaying is the movie's best asset
Regrets Civil War stops being a Captain America film
Humor: Dry deadpan asides, mock-serious pedantry and a willingness to play along with Griffin's bits.
In their words
“This is the 1st Marvel movie I started press screening.” (0:02:54)
Loves Sif, mythology, the practical-looking gold Asgard and the sibling story between Thor and Loki. Hates the first Thor and likes Dark World far more than Ragnarok. A sucker for spaceships and gap-toothed actors.
Stances
Dark World was the movie where Feige took over
Doctor Strange fails on comedy
Spaceships make any movie better
Humor: Deadpan escalation and gross-out one-liners, throwing a pillow to steer the room.
Also calls Iron Man 3 his favorite MCU film; a critic who tracks box office, awards ballots, contracts and Hollywood history. Likes character actors, Shane Black wit and clean action stakes. Sucker for ensemble casts and set-up/payoff.
Stances
Iron Man 3 is the best-structured sequel because it answers the previous film
The one flaw is the rushed Killian monologue and the sidelined Maya
Tony Stark should have ended here
Marvel's Atlanta wet-cement look is a problem
Humor: Dry, dead-pan and confidently over-informed, then deflates himself with a dumb aside.
In their words
“This is how you do a sequel.” (0:41:23)
“It's a really good 3rd movie.” (2:10:08)
“Anyone who dares criticize it, you know, is my enemy and I will meet them on the field of glory.” (0:56:30)
Treats Avengers as a model for plotted ensemble blockbusters; loves Samuel L. Jackson and Hulk, wants Marvel's cinematic conveyor belt held up to Justice League. Knows Hollywood trivia, box-office figures. Dislikes Man of Steel's destruction and Age of Ultron's continuity.
Stances
This is one of the best-structured blockbusters
The film looks cheap while being expensive
Age of Ultron can't be a sequel to this one
Jackson is undervalued
Humor: Dry, ironic, quick with box-office game-show bits and wry commentary on his own travel plans.
In their words
“I think this movie looks kind of cheap while being very expensive.” (0:03:02)
“Avengers 2 can't be a sequel to Avengers one. It has to be a sequel to 5 other moments.” (1:39:42)
He loves Marvel comics lore, the Golden and Silver Age versions of the characters, and period production design. He is a sucker for ensemble character actors like Neal McDonough and Tommy Lee Jones. He is dismissive of the movie's generic last third and of unearned endings.
Stances
The first third is perfect, the second solid, the third perfunctory
The ending teaser for Avengers cheapens the movie
The classic Bucky death was better than the film's
Humor: Dry deadpan asides and physical bits like rocking the couch for Tommy Lee Jones.
In their words
“The 1st 3rd is perfect.” (0:51:45)
“I think the 3rd 3rd is, you know, a little perfunctory.” (0:51:48)
The comics and film-history reader: knows Thor lore (Straczynski, Simonson), casting and development history, and Marvel's behind-the-scenes politics. Loves Hopkins at ease, Branagh as ham, the hammer-return sequence and the Patrick Doyle score. Dislikes chaos cinema and the Marvel pipeline's flat look.
Stances
Branagh is a hammy director he likes, but weak at action
Marvel's side-character sprawl hurts unfocused ensemble movies
Dark World is a better brother movie
Whedon over-kills characters
Humor: Deadpan fact-drops and interruptions that deflate Griffin's bits.
In their words
“I'm a big fan of Kenneth Bran as a director.” (0:18:10)
Film-history minded and well versed in studio politics (Feige, Perlmutter); likes Wes Anderson books but not Isle of Dogs. Dislikes hollow universe-building. Loves Galaxy Quest and Rickman.
Stances
Nick Fury's cameo derails the movie
Favreau lost The Avengers by making this film
Universe-building should serve story
Humor: Dry, mocking asides with pop-culture comparisons.
A Marvel and Hulk comics reader (Rick Jones, Peter David, Greg Pak) who loves Ang Lee's Hulk and trusts Tim Roth as the only good performance; hates bad CGI and generic Europa Corp action.
Stances
This film is the worst early MCU entry
Marvel quality control is fast food
Unleashed is the best Europa Corp film
Humor: Blunt put-downs and long, detailed story retellings, such as the Electro origin.
In their words
“Rick, you know, man, you got to read your 60s Marvel.” (0:17:51)
“Unleashed is my favorite of the Europa.” (0:11:09)
Pro-Iron Man, loves Downey's improvisational energy, Gwyneth Paltrow and Jeff Bridges' performances, and the Marvel comics of the 60s; dislikes Terrence Howard and generic Marvel scores. Cares about industry business details.
Stances
Iron Man is the best of the early Marvel films
Bridges is underrated as a Marvel villain
Hulk and later Marvel films feel generic
Humor: Self-deprecating New York landlord and apartment bits, deadpan Bill Maher mock-defense.
Attributions to David are low confidence because the transcript has no speaker labels. He argues about Nicholson's box office record, tracks the Oscar races of the era, and has a Transformers opinion (3 is a masterpiece, per a speaker who may be him). He is skeptical of Haunted Mansion.
Stances
Nicholson was not guaranteed money in the bank before this film (speaker uncertain)
Early-2000s Oscar races were set pieces worth remembering (speaker uncertain)
Humor: Dry corrections and numbers, plus a playful challenge to the guest's choices.
In their words
“Well, I'm going to dispute you on Jack being money in the bank.” (0:03:28)
“it did open to 16000000 and finished at 124” (1:52:03)
Box-office and awards nerd; loves Michelle Yeoh and the craft of fight choreography; is dismissive of Rush Hour as a boring sweaty cop movie and of Gladiator winning. A sucker for trivia and Oscar-night lore.
Stances
CTHD's release was a careful balancing of global audiences
Oscar race lore matters
Gladiator winning was weird
Humor: Dry, precise, and deadpan fact-bombs that undercut sillier riffs.
In their words
“Rush hour 2 is still the 4th biggest opening in August.” (0:46:50)
“Rush Hour is kind of a boring, sweaty cop movie.” (0:47:12)
Defends Hulk, owns Ice Storm on DVD and Criterion, and likes facts, production history and box-office context. Skeptical of easy characterization such as Weaver's.
Stances
Ice Storm gets cold weather as Do the Right Thing gets hot weather
Weaver's role feels easy; Lee's film is not about a craze
Reads out box-office top five in the closing game
Humor: Deadpan quiz-master and wry riffs on casting and careers.
In their words
“I think this movie gets cold weather as right as do the right thing gets hot weather.” (0:10:53)
“I mean, this podcast is just an excuse for me to buy Blu-rays.” (0:36:45)
Adores Richard Jenkins and critic-style takes; reads Blue Steel as a Bigelow B-picture that unifies her style. Loves a good box-office trivia quiz. Sucker for actor-career arcs.
Stances
Blue Steel is better than Point Break
Jenkins's entrance shifts the film into a representational register
Went in with the Spanish original in his head and thinks Vanilla Sky is essentially a remake of it with American excess added. Likes the genre-inflected last act more than the first half but rates the whole C plus. Sucker for British film magazine nostalgia.
Stances
The film is a remake of Abre los ojos with added Crowe preciousness
C plus, three out of five
Wants the sci-fi explained earlier
Humor: Dry, nitpicky, pushes catchphrase bits like 'island woman' and 'blowjob lady'.
In their words
“Yeah, C plus.” (1:55:12)
“I was a dedicated empire magazine reader.” (0:27:30)
“I think this movie's problem is it doesn't introduce it earlier enough.” (1:37:39)
Attribution is low-confidence. One host insists films should stand on their own merits, hates behind-the-scenes theorizing and complaining nerds, and is a fan of Admiral Piett. Likes the first 40 minutes at Jabba's palace; critical of Leia's handling and the Yoda deathbed scene.
Stances
Films should stand on their own merits
Don't read behind-the-scenes lore into the movie
The Jabba sequence is the best part; the Ewoks overstay
Humor: Dry deflation of the other host's rants and Empire workplace-comedy pitches.
In their words
“I think films should stand on their own merits.” (0:32:22)
“I hate nerds and they're always complaining.” (0:30:51)
Their shows' recurring bits
Running bits, not opinions; a critic read aloud is cited, not present.
The Big Picture
Drafts: Hosts and guests draft films in rounds; every pick is a recommendation with an argument.
Hall of Fame: A star's or director's best, ranked and argued.
Countdowns: Ranked lists, top five or top ten.
Blank Check with Griffin & David
The box office game: Guessing the film's opening weekend and what it was up against.
The sung theme: "Blank Check with Griffin and David", sung; the transcriber garbles it.
Their claims
Showing 801–900 of 1,091 claims.
career (career):
Winona Ryder → Girl, Interrupted.
Ryder's next film after Resurrection was Girl, Interrupted in 99, an underrated movie.
“After this, I guess she has girl interrupted in 99, which is an underrated movie.”
people (people):
Ron Perlman → Alphaville.
Alphaville took a marginal American noir actor and presented him as America's greatest star, like directors do with Perlman.
“this marginal American noir actor and was like, you are the greatest movie star America has ever produced.”
verdict (verdict):
Alien Resurrection → Alien: Covenant.
David walked out of the Covenant press screening hearing grumbling that it was not their Alien; he does not get that anger.
“I walked out of the press screening of covenant, and I remember one credit being like, I mean, that's just not my alien.”
craft (craft):
Alien Resurrection → Aliens.
In Aliens you see them fleetingly; in Resurrection animatronics let an alien stand in front of you for ten seconds.
“But this is the 1st one where it's like, yeah, an alien's just standing in front of you.”
lineage (lineage):
Alien Resurrection → Jurassic Park.
Aliens caged and taunted while hunting you feels like the raptors; raptors may be Alien rip-offs.
“the raptors have a bit of an alien rip off vibe, honestly”
contrast (contrast):
Alien Resurrection → Prometheus.
Prometheus has a stacked cast on one level; Resurrection puts a second movie star above the title with Weaver and loses balance.
“it's putting them above the title, it's kind of implying that it's going to be kind of a two-hander”
craft (craft):
Joss Whedon → Alien Resurrection.
The acid-blood tricks in Resurrection are Whedon-style fan service, while Jeunet is the better visual stylist.
“The stuff like using the acid in creative new ways.”
craft (craft):
Joss Whedon → Astonishing X-Men.
Kitty Pryde's bat-in-the-head interrogation shows Whedon's gift for finding a clever new angle in pre-established ideas.
“so emblematic of what he's good at as a writer, which is just using all the things that have been pre-established by other writers”
people (people):
Darius Khondji → Jean-Pierre Jeunet.
Jeunet brought his own French collaborators, cinematographer Darius Khondji and VFX man Pitof, plus his production crew, onto Alien: Resurrection.
“he brings all of his French people, right? Like he brings Darius Kanji, and he brings Pitoff, and he brings like his sort of, um, uh, production crew who all speak the same language as him”
people (people):
Jean-Pierre Jeunet → Alien Resurrection.
Jeunet brought his French crew and could not talk to the writers, producers or actors; the film is cohesive visually.
career (career):
Jean-Pierre Jeunet → A Very Long Engagement.
Jeunet's only other Hollywood-financed film was A Very Long Engagement, a Hollywood production made in France on his terms.
“Very long engagement's a Hollywood production, but in France on his own terms.”
industry (industry):
A Very Long Engagement → Warner Bros..
Warner financed most of it for distribution rights, so it was disqualified as a foreign film for the Oscars.
“And so it was disqualified as being a foreign film.”
contrast (contrast):
Winona Ryder → Alien.
Call is asked to do what Ripley does in the first movie, but Weaver makes it sing and Ryder punches the clock.
“what call is being asked to do here is not that different than what Ripley does in the 1st movie, except fucking Sigourney makes it sing.”
career (career):
Raymond Cruz → Breaking Bad (TV).
Raymond Cruz in Resurrection is Tuco from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, and Detective Sanchez on The Closer.
“He's Tuco and Breaking Bad. And better call Saul.”
theme (theme):
Alien Resurrection → Saturday Night Live.
The creature too awful to live begging 'kill me' is a funny trope, like an Eddie Murphy SNL sketch.
craft (craft):
Alien Resurrection → Godzilla.
1998 Godzilla and the first Jurassic Park shot their CGI creatures in rain and night to hide the rendering.
“the 98 Godzilla is set in the rain constantly, and why in Jurassic, the 1st Jurassic”
contrast (contrast):
Alien Resurrection → Aliens.
In Aliens she rescues Newt and in Alien 3 the convicts find purpose; in Resurrection there is no purpose to the fight.
“in aliens, she's rescuing newt and like, you know, even in alien 3, they kind of, by the end of it”
theme (theme):
Alien Resurrection → Alien 3.
The alien-hybrid birth echoes Alien 3's mommy-child relationship; this one is treated as parent and child.
“But much like an Alien 3, it's like, oh, hey, mommy.”
industry (industry):
Alien → Die Hard.
Alien will be remade without its original star the way Die Hard will without Bruce Willis; the xenomorph design is too powerful to leave dormant.
“In the same way, they'll make another diehard without Bruce Willis.”
industry (industry):
Alien Resurrection → Flubber.
Flubber was number one on the Thanksgiving 1997 weekend; Resurrection opened number two with 25 million.
lineage (parallel origin story):
James Cameron → David Fincher.
Both lost control of a first film and reacted by vowing never to lose again; Cameron became a tyrant, Fincher says he will quit.
“He like, I'm never fucking losing an argument ever again.”
Blank Check — Patreon ·
Alien 3 ·
0:28:14 ·
David Sims
(0.40 sure it was them)
“And yeah, the studio was like, it'll be better if it's a dog”
Blank Check — Patreon ·
Alien 3 ·
0:43:25 ·
David Sims
(0.50 sure it was them)
career (career):
Meg Ryan → City of Angels.
The same year Ryan also made City of Angels, dismissed as a chick flick.
“This year she has, you've got Mail, and she has City of Angels, which, despite being a remake of a German masterpiece, is roundly just dismisses like, eh, Chick Flick, right?”
craft (craft):
You've Got Mail → Sleepless in Seattle.
Both Hanks-Ryan films are experiments on the rom-com: one withholds the couple until the last scene, the other puts them together and makes them unpleasant.
“sleepless in Seattle is obviously like, can you create a rom-com with chemistry between the 2 actors without them ever actually communicating until the last scene of the movie.”
what-if (what-if):
George Clooney → Jack Frost.
The Jack Frost snowman was built on George Clooney's likeness before he dropped out, and Keaton took the role.
“That is pointedly snowman George Clooney. It is meant to be George Clooney.”
programming (programming):
Hanging Up → The Whole Nine Yards.
The Whole Nine Yards was the comedy for the boys; Hanging Up opened with the same money as the female-led comedy.
“That's like the comedy for the boys and hanging up, which is opening with the exact same amount of money, is more of a female lead comedy.”
lineage (lineage):
Pitch Black → The Chronicles of Riddick.
Chronicles of Riddick is the big-budget sequel, and home video retitled Pitch Black as Chronicles of Riddick: Pitch Black.
“And on the home video releases, they then retitled it, the Chronicles of Riddick, colon pitch black.”
contrast (contrast):
Trolls: The Experience → Trolls.
David's text says the experience was practical, engaging and well performed, far better than the movie.
theme (theme):
Trolls → The Manchurian Candidate.
Joke that after watching Trolls he wanted to assassinate a presidential candidate, so maybe there is a Manchurian thing going on.
“I wanted to assassinate a presidential candidate, so maybe there's a whole Manchurian thing happening there too.”
contrast (contrast):
Trolls → La La Land.
City of Stars beat Can't Stop the Feeling and the speaker resents it as the La La Land song; the opening numbers are the film's best.
“I still am so resentful that that's the La La Land song.”
programming (programming):
Taron Egerton → Little Shop of Horrors.
Rumor: Warner Bros. wants Taron Egerton for Little Shop of Horrors; Griffin joked he can sing.
“Warner Brothers wants to hire Taron Egerton to do a little shop of horrors.”
contrast (contrast):
Rebecca Ferguson → Jane Krakowski.
Ferguson's Hat performance reminds the speaker of Jane Krakowski in 30 Rock (character name garbled in transcript).
“Rebecca Ferguson and Dr. Sleep is the most I've ever liked a performance that also made me think so much of Jane Krakowski”
contrast (contrast):
Florence Pugh → Jude Law.
Pugh's arrival as a star is the Talented Mr. Ripley-era Jude Law analog; Lopez is Tom Cruise in Magnolia, a star channeling her legacy into her best acting.
contrast (contrast):
Jennifer Lopez → Tom Cruise.
Lopez in Hustlers compared to Tom Cruise in Magnolia: a star pouring their entire legacy into the best acting they have done.
“someone finding the performance that channels their entire legacy as a star into the best piece of acting they've ever done.”
verdict (verdict):
Laura Dern → Marriage Story.
Dern is on Joe's ballot but none of the three would pick her to win; she's the Oscar frontrunner as a career-recognition win.
verdict (verdict):
Under the Silver Lake → Under the Silver Lake.
Griffin watched it on a train from Buffalo and half-believes it was a dream; it played better in a theater than on a plane.
“I watched Under the Silver Lake on a train back to New York from Buffalo.”
verdict (verdict):
Richard Schiff → Clemency.
Schiff's Clemency performance is the benchmark of what a speaker wants to age into as an actor, alongside Joe Pantoliano in Bad Boys for Life.
“Those are the 2 benchmarks I'm setting for the next 30 years of my career.”
verdict (verdict):
Alfre Woodard → Clemency.
Great performance with a long-shot showstopper; the drunk scenes are among the best drunk acting the speaker has seen.
verdict (verdict):
Jennifer Kent → The Nightingale.
Kent's film is 'the best movie of the year that I would never recommend to anybody' for how punishing it is; she's a discovery of the decade.
“I think that's the best movie of the year that I would never recommend to anybody.”
fun, about
Doctor Sleep (title):
The title comes from Danny's humane way of easing people dying in a hospice, a minor thread; some say it should have been Shining 2.
“It's funny that the title of the movie comes from like his very humane way of helping people be at ease before they die, a very sort of minor plot thread.”
fun, about
A Clockwork Orange:
Kubrick pulled the film from Britain a year after release and it stayed out until his death; it was banned in Ireland until 1999.
fun, about
A Clockwork Orange:
McDowell scratched his cornea during the eyedrop scenes and the numbing wore off in the car; a speed bump felt like a razor blade.
fun, about
Dr. Strangelove:
The release was delayed by the Kennedy assassination; a speaker also notes the President is the last reasonable president in an American satire, because Kennedy was in office.
“this movie was delayed because of the assassination of Kennedy.”
fun, about
Terry Southern:
Sellers gave Kubrick The Magic Christian, which brought Southern in; the dossier read is that Kubrick wrote it, George inspired it, and Southern made it funny.
“JJ's read on the screenplay, though, is that it's Dubrick wrote it.”
fun, about
Dr. Strangelove:
The first page of the screenplay says the story will be played for realistic comedy and the acting will never be so-called comedy acting.
“The 1st page of the screenplay says, the story will be played for realistic comedy”
fun, about
Gene Kelly:
The original plan for Jack D. Ripper was Gene Kelly. Kubrick then cast George C. Scott, who asked to play Turgidson instead, and brought in Sterling Hayden.
“You know who the original plan was to cast for Jack D. Ripper, the Sterling Hayden Row?”
fun, about
James Earl Jones:
Jones had a big role questioning the mission; Kubrick decided he did not want the protesting crew member to be a Black actor and cut it. Jones told him he took the part for the cut material.
“eventually Kubrick decided he didn't want the guy protesting to be a black guy and cuts everything out.”
fun, about
Dr. Strangelove:
Kubrick wrote down about thirty alternate titles, including Wonderful Bomb, Dr. Doomsday, and Dr. Strangelove's Secret Uses of Uranus.
“The weird one is Dr. Strangelove's secret uses of Uranus.”
fun, about
Kirk Douglas:
In Munich the rewritten script had a happy ending; Douglas threatened to walk. Kubrick calmly said he wanted a commercial hit.
fun, about
Kola Kwariani (Nick the Wrestler):
A former wrestler Kubrick met through chess circles, he died at 77 after fighting five teenagers outside his chess club.
“He was 76 years old and he was leaving his regular chess club where he played and he was jumped by 5 teenagers”
fun, about
Fear and Desire:
The poster sells a 'half animal girl' with an illustration of a kissed neck, making the war movie look supernatural.
“An illustration of, uh, Paul Mizurski kissing her neck that makes it look consensual, and says, fear and desire, trapped for desperate man, and a strange half animal girl.”
fun, about
Alien: Covenant:
Originally titled Alien: Paradise Lost; Damon Lindelof was going to write it before bailing, then John Logan, with a first script by the Transcendence writer and a Michael Green rewrite.
“Initially, it was going to be called Alien Paradise Lost.”
fun, about
Ridley Scott:
Scott gave interviews saying there would be no aliens or xenomorphs, then reversed; the hosts wonder if it was him or the studio telling him to put aliens in.
“initially Scott was giving these interviews where he was like, there won't be aliens”
fun, about
Alien: Covenant:
The online prologue with James Franco and Noomi Rapace is not in the film; the initial cut ran about 2.5 hours and Scott trimmed the franchise stuff.
“it was this thing with James Franco, who is not in this movie, although you see him in like photos.”
fun, about
Ron Perlman:
The basketball shot: Weaver actually sank it over her shoulder on a quick take and Perlman's reaction is real; no visual effects.
fun, about
Sigourney Weaver:
Weaver would not let toys be made with guns for years; Resurrection was the only time, and no collector figure for 15 years after.
“one of the key reasons was because she didn't want her action figures coming with guns.”
fun, about
You've Got Mail:
The box office for December 18, 1998: You've Got Mail at number one, ahead of Prince of Egypt, A Bug's Life, Star Trek: Insurrection, and Jack Frost.
“So number one, though, it's you've got mail, $18 million.”
fun, about
Jack Frost:
The animatronic Jack Frost snowman was built from the likeness of George Clooney, who dropped out late; Michael Keaton replaced him.
“But they built it off of the likeness of the actor who was supposed to play the title role who dropped out very late.”