Obsessive about Color of Money since childhood and fascinated by working vocabularies, hustles, and movie-star craft. Loves Newman's ease, Scorsese camera movement, Warren Zevon, and 80s-90s prestige crime. Is a sucker for the lost American third space of bars and pool halls and distrusts phone gambling.
Stances
Sports betting on phones is bad; real gambling is better
The Hustler is the best young Newman performance
Color of Money's first hour peaks and the back half is a comedown
Warren Zevon's second album is the greatest rock album of the 70s
Humor: Conversational and self-deprecating, with long riffing monologues and pop culture hot takes.
In their words
“I think similarly any movie that introduces its own vocabulary immediately has me leaning in.” (0:38:33)
“I know this is gonna sound really corny, but it is a celebration of a certain kind of American 3rd space that is disappearing.” (2:47:05)
A franchise and genre scholar who likes Jason, the early sequels, and Manhattan; attention to trivia, tropes and critic reception. Treats slashers as a canon with tiers.
Stances
Parts 1, 2, 4 and Manhattan are the good ones
The series finds its legs at 4
Humor: Dry, listing, comfortable with riffing on tropes.
In their words
“But I think it finds its legs at four.” (0:03:55)
Loves 1970s realism and the film's patience and craft; admires Daniel Pearl's cinematography and the era's location shooting. Likes reality-rooted horror over supernatural. Gets to the research and context.
Stances
The film is a perfect achievement with intention and accident both
1970s films feel real
Reality-based horror beats demons
Humor: Dry, deadpan riffs on the research and film-school asides.
Defends movies that are entertainingly bad and invests in actors' career trajectories (Vaughn, Travolta). Loves From Hell staples and a good scumbag name. Sucker for supporting-cast pops.
Stances
Vaughn's drama phase explains the movie
Travolta is giving 10 out of 10 for the first hour
The movie needed an R rating and more Buscemi
Humor: Deadpan observational jokes and absurd movie-logic nitpicks.
In their words
“I think Vacuum Vince Vaughn's not bad in this movie as like a villain.” (0:12:55)
Loves the 80s/90s crime and Michael Mann-style movies of CR month (To Live and Die in L.A.), and Eyes Wide Shut-style deep dives. Can't stand Fever Pitch and animated films. A sucker for category nitpicking and detailed lineage stuff.
Stances
Dislikes Fever Pitch as inauthentic
Wants the Cruise Eyes Wide Shut pod
Would sit out all animated movies
Proud of his Peter North pod
Humor: Dry, theatrical self-mockery about CR month and about being load-managed.
In their words
“Just like, uh, it's like attending my own funeral.” (0:00:58)
“I think it's excitement for the Wayne Jet category.” (0:05:14)
“Yeah, anything animated, you might as well put me on the bench.” (1:31:49)
Gets sold on craft, character introductions and star careers. Loves Kerry Condon's character and the opening scene; dislikes a weak villain turn. Sucker for pubs, big-pint scenes and Tony Scott-style filming.
Stances
Kosinski inherits Tony Scott's style
Pitt and Damon are close but Pitt is a bigger star
Weak link is JP's manager
Baja ending is too much
Humor: Runs on running bits (Ebert, hottest take) and teases with ironic asides.
In their words
“he really is an inheritor of some of like his Tony Scott's like stylistic revelations.” (0:10:32)
“Give that character something. Make him a little sinister.” (1:11:36)
Craft-minded movie nerd who loves directors (Weir, Linklater) and categories like the rack-focus movie and death at sea. Loves a character actor roll call. Can't stand a movie that overexplains.
Stances
Weir is an actor's director with no overbearing visual style
Hanks or De Palma would make a different film
Ordinary People beats the rest for death at sea
Humor: Dry movie-obsessive asides, like mock-pitching a Ryan Murphy series.
In their words
“I always love like the category of like the rack focus movie.” (0:26:04)
“The 1st director attached, this movie was Brian DePalma.” (1:05:34)
Loves Michael Madsen, Sizemore-versus-Madsen debates, and scientist-fiction. Cares about craft facts: cinematographers, editors, who wrote it. Sucker for a TV-series what-if.
Stances
Species should have been an HBO show in 1995
Madsen could have played Shooter and Basic Instinct parts
Film camp taught him the editor matters most
Humor: Reporting production trivia with a straight face, then goofy.
In their words
“I just think this should have been a TV show.” (1:06:22)
“The movie should have had more fucking.” (1:05:36)
Admires Rocky's craft and the supporting cast, especially Gazzo and Joe Spinell; digs the history details of the Steadicam and Oscars. Despises Rocky V and Paulie. Sucker for the movie's structure and franchise lore.
Stances
Wants two more Gazzo scenes and two fewer Paulie scenes
Rocky 2 is the least original; Rocky 1 is superior
Despises Rocky V but likes its final 30 minutes
Cruise over Hanks as the challenger
Humor: Dry, riffs on the movie's absurdities with quick asides.
In their words
“If we had 2 more gazo scenes and 2 less poly scenes.” (1:16:50)
“I despise five, but I will admit that the last, like, 30 minutes of five” (1:45:20)
Loves Tarantino's character work, bits of editing and sound, and the lived-in nostalgia of drinking and cheeseburgers. Is skeptical of Cruise as Vincent and of Tom Hanks. Cares about detail of the heroin scene and the McGuffin.
Stances
Cruise as Vincent doesn't work
Foot massage is an intimate act
The briefcase is best left a McGuffin
Humor: Dry sideline commentary and deadpan nitpicks, plus 'Junkie Chris' running gag about being the heroin purchaser.
In their words
“Where'd you stand on the foot massage argument, CR?” (0:10:25)
“I would not give my mom a foot massage.” (0:10:32)
He loves a tight 90s studio movie, directors and craftspeople like Jan de Bont, and character actors such as Hoffman and Paxton. He is a sucker for the lived-in world, with the Aunt Meg meal, the drive-in and the crew of weirdos. He cannot stand blockbusters with stars too pretty to be believable.
Stances
Jan de Bont is his guy and the chaotic production still looks seamless
Hoffman is the most fascinating part of the film long term
Paxton could have led Out of Sight
Twister is closer to Jurassic Park than to superhero movies
Humor: Cinephile deep cuts and film-bro bits, with the others joking that he would live in the drive-in town.
In their words
“I think it's more aesthetically closer to like Jurassic Park.” (0:05:47)
“I think he could have been the lead guy and out of sight instead of Clooney and out of sight.” (0:19:37)
Chris is the film scholar of the group, reaching for 70s dirty-cop touchstones and the story of how the film was cast and cut. He loves a methodical bit, like the murders-to-sex ratio. He is a sucker for an attractive villain and a story told in the middle of the movie.
Stances
Internal Affairs is a one-of-one
Dirty cops as popcorn entertainment ended after this era
Gere's elevator and burger-joint scenes are the peak
Humor: Dry, stats-driven bits such as the John Hollinger advanced analytics award.
In their words
“I have the elevator fight just because it's almost like a horror movie scene.” (0:43:31)
“I have the John Hollinger Advanced Analytics Award.” (1:04:10)
Chris is the host of this installment and a Michael Mann devotee who frames the film's craft and context: the Pacino and Crowe careers, Mann's formal progression, the end of broadcast news dominance. He likes the exposition scene, Plummer and Pacino together, and the wild formal choices. He tends to read films through the movie business and what they say about their era.
Stances
The Insider is Mann's most restrained film
Pacino's best, finely calibrated performance may be in The Insider
1999 is a last year of a kind of movie being made
Humor: Dry and hosting-minded, steering the discussion with sports riffs and deadpan film trivia.
In their words
“It's his most restrained film in a lot of ways.” (0:08:50)
“Pacino gets 3 decades to be Al Pacino.” (0:18:33)
Sentimental about the film as his mom's movie and the Motown soundtrack. Loves American Flyers and ensemble friendship movies. A sucker for needle drops and domestic details like Nick's Porsche.
Stances
It's an inherited rewatchable from his parents' generation
Wants a cycling month
Cast what-if bits
Humor: Deadpan ribbing and long riffs on fake sequels.
In their words
“I'm super happy because I fucking love American Fires.” (0:38:30)
“Maybe we should do cycling month on the rewatchable.” (0:38:39)
Prefers He Got Game; passionate about the Sopranos and about how Bronx Tale influenced it; likes De Niro's softer performance. Notes father-son themes across films. Likes the biker bar scene most.
Stances
Bronx Tale influenced the Sopranos more than any movie
Palminteri won the movie
Double feature with This Boy's Life
Sonny is Vito, not Sonny Corleone
Humor: Dry, riffing on his own image as a loved person who would be exposed in a tell-all.
In their words
“He got game is my favorite father-son movie.” (0:02:37)
“I actually have now you just can't leave.” (1:03:09)
Loves studio-era comedy craft and character actors; is a sucker for movies that play against type. Is bothered by plot logic like the murder charge being a weak link.
Stances
Courtroom movies are sports movies
The movie is 15-20 minutes too long but the last half hour is lights out
Humor: Deadpan nitpicks and long fond digressions.
In their words
“It's 15 minutes too long. And the last half hours lights out.” (0:09:17)
“You know, the murder charge is the weak link of the film.” (0:51:44)
Loves the Rogan-Apatow comedy era and the friendship dynamics; admires its screenwriting. Is over weed humor now. A sucker for Larry Sanders-style meta-comedy.
Stances
Weed culture has aged worst
Jonah Hill is underrated
The film is a pretty moral movie
Humor: Dry and deadpan, with nitpicky geography bits.
In their words
“I'm pretty over marijuana culture.” (0:46:30)
“It's like actually a pretty moral movie.” (0:19:35)
Appreciates the Tony Scott action-movie side of Cop II, Rosewood and Taggart, and big 80s excess, and hard-to-pull-off action comedies. Annoyed by the alphabet-killer logic holes and the cement truck edit. A sucker for what-if spinoffs like Rosewood and Taggart in Detroit.
Stances
Rosewood and Taggart are as funny as Eddie and deserve a spinoff
The alphabet crimes could have gone to J
Cop II is a showcase for Eddie bits
Cop III is an abomination
Humor: Builds long mock pitches and absurd hypotheticals and stacks them on Simmons's riffs.
In their words
“All of this movie is essentially built around, like, let Eddie Cook.” (0:05:38)
“Is an Amazonian blonde woman the best front man for those crimes.” (0:57:50)
Fan of Bruce Willis's blend of action and comedy and an affectionate watcher of that-guy character actors. Loves airport nostalgia and the chaos of Christmas travel; dislikes the callous plane crash. Sucker for Janine Turner and Die Hard with a Vengeance.
Stances
Die Hard 2 is a Christmas movie
Willis was uniquely good at both action and comedy
Die Hard with a Vengeance is a perfect movie
Die Hard 2 is more action-movie-ish than 1 and 3
Humor: Deadpan escalating riffs and nostalgia stories, quick to turn an observation into a bit.
In their words
“This captures the anxiety of traveling during Christmas.” (1:15:27)
“He was so good at both the, the, like the thriller action stunt stuff and also the one-liners” (0:07:08)
Gets excited by pure cinematic storytelling, Hitchcock-style filmmaking and compressed exposition; loves Leto's overacting and House of Gucci; sucker for bearer bonds as a heist device. Hates unrealistic plotting only in passing.
Stances
Panic Room is a thrilling rewatch of pure cinematic filmmaking
Leto in House of Gucci is great
Takes the propane scene as the best in the movie
Fincher wins the movie
Humor: Self-deprecating and absurdist: jokes about being childless and going Krav Maga on burglars.
In their words
“Yeah, and I also would say just like coming out of Fight Club, and it was like the star making performances for Ed Norton” (0:22:37)
“I'm going to take the propane tanks.” (0:56:30)
“I'm going to say Noah Pacino.” (1:17:27)
Their shows' recurring bits
Running bits, not opinions; a critic read aloud is cited, not present.
The Big Picture
Drafts: Hosts and guests draft films in rounds; every pick is a recommendation with an argument.
Hall of Fame: A star's or director's best, ranked and argued.
Countdowns: Ranked lists, top five or top ten.
Blank Check with Griffin & David
The box office game: Guessing the film's opening weekend and what it was up against.
The sung theme: "Blank Check with Griffin and David", sung; the transcriber garbles it.
The Rewatchables
Apex Mountain: The moment a star peaks; where on the mountain a performance sits.
Who Won the Movie: The hosts name the person who came out of the film best off.
The Ebert review: Roger Ebert's original review and star rating read aloud. Ebert is cited, never on the show.
Casting what-ifs: Who was almost cast, or who should have been.
Most rewatchable scene: The scene each host would stop on while flipping channels.
Aged best / aged worst: What holds up and what does not.
Picking Nits: The little things in a film the hosts love that they don't think totally work: the nits.
Double feature: The film each host would pair it with; a programming pick.
Their claims
Showing 101–200 of 854 claims.
what-if (what-if):
Species → The Sopranos.
As a 1995 HBO one-hour drama, Species would have predated The Sopranos (99) and Oz (97).
what-if (what-if):
Arnold Schwarzenegger → Species.
Schwarzenegger was briefly interested, but the budget could not afford him; the panel imagines him as Press Lennox or the empath.
“Arnold Schwarzenegger was briefly interested in the script, but the budget wouldn't allow him.”
contrast (contrast):
Rocky → The Godfather.
Structurally Rocky is like Godfather if it were all Michael and Kay's dates and the Don dies only in the last minutes; boxing barely appears until the last 13 minutes.
“imagine if Godfather was entirely about Kate and Michael not in New York City.”
theme (theme):
Rocky → Top Gun.
Rocky's urban portrait of American life gave way in the Karate Kid, Hughes and Top Gun era to safer, cleaner suburban stories.
“It's just a much different portrait of like American life because this is so urban.”
what-if (what-if):
Sylvester Stallone → Good Will Hunting.
Asked whether Damon and Affleck's Good Will Hunting is the same make-your-own-movie story; the difference is they'd been in movies already.
“Would Good Wolf Hunting be in the same mode of a movie where the guys just went, fuck it, we're going to make our own movie and explodes?”
career (career):
Sylvester Stallone → On the Waterfront.
Stallone may have wished to make more movies like On the Waterfront than the franchises that became golden handcuffs.
“I would have liked to have made more movies that are like on the waterfront or whatever”
career (career):
Sylvester Stallone → Rocky III.
Stallone's best A-list run came with Rocky 3 and First Blood in the same year, a roughly six-year run.
“He has one of the best, probably 6 year A-list movie star runs ever.”
career (career):
Sylvester Stallone → Nighthawks.
After Rocky he tried to separate from the character: beard in Nighthawks, big weight loss in Victory.
“You know, like he's in Nighthawks, he grew a beard.”
lineage (lineage):
Rocky → Cinderella Man.
Rocky set up the idea that a victory transforms the supporting cast too, as in Cinderella Man where he fights for Giamatti.
“by the time you get to like Cinderella man, you realize that he's not just fighting for him, he's fighting for Giamatti.”
verdict (verdict):
Rocky → Network.
Network is also called really great in the 1976 best-picture relitigation; one host thinks Holden is better than Finch in it.
lineage (lineage):
Twister → Jurassic Park.
Twister is aesthetically closer to Jurassic Park than to superhero movies, prizing intelligence over strength and wonder over fixing things.
“I think it's more aesthetically closer to like Jurassic Park.”
people (people):
Twister → Steven Spielberg.
Spielberg executive produced and Amblin is a production company, giving the film a wide-eyed wonder-and-fear Spielberg feel.
industry (industry):
Twister → Industrial Light & Magic.
The movie was built out of an ILM proof-of-concept clip of a pickup truck driving toward a tornado.
“It was a proof of concept clip from Industrial Light Magic”
career (career):
Bill Paxton → Trespass.
Trespass, with Ice-T and Ice Cube, is cited as a high-concept treasure-hunt movie that feels important and is probably on Tubi.
what-if (what-if):
Bill Paxton → George Clooney.
Chris argues Paxton could have led Out of Sight instead of Clooney; Van counters that Paxton lacks the movie-star magnetism for the trunk scene with J.Lo.
“I think he could have been the lead guy and out of sight instead of Clooney and out of sight.”
career (career):
Helen Hunt → As Good as It Gets.
Helen Hunt's run from Kiss of Death and Twister to winning an Oscar for As Good as It Gets was an unexpected shoot to the A-list.
“And then she wins an Oscar for as good as it gets.”
career (career):
Philip Seymour Hoffman → The Talented Mr. Ripley.
Hoffman's trajectory: Scent of a Woman, then Boogie Nights, then Ripley as the exclamation point that confirmed a real actor.
people (people):
Twister → Jan de Bont.
De Bont is introduced as Chris's guy: DP on Die Hard, director of Speed, a hard-charging efficient director the crew hated.
people (people):
Jack Green → Jan de Bont.
Green, the replacement DP, was injured two days from the end and de Bont, the director, had to take over the photography himself.
theme (theme):
Twister → The Amityville Horror.
Going back for the dog in the opening scene echoes Amityville Horror, which Bill says has the best version of the leave-the-dog trope.
craft (craft):
Twister → Goo Goo Dolls.
The soundtrack was built from songs people were asked to make for the movie; the Goo Goo Dolls track is judged the better song than Tori Amos's contribution.
“Long way down by Goo Goo Dolls is the better song.”
theme (theme):
Twister → Sleepless in Seattle.
Dr. Melissa is the stable fiance archetype that rom-coms usually give to the guy, like Bill Pullman in Sleepless in Seattle and Greg Kinnear in You've Got Mail.
“It's like Bill Palman in Seattle and Greg Canair and you got mail.”
lineage (lineage):
Twister → The Poseidon Adventure.
Disaster movies had two golden runs, the 70s (Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno) and the 90s, and Twister belongs to the second.
“The 70s, we had this awesome run, Poseidon adventure and all those movies.”
what-if (what-if):
Twister → War of the Worlds.
A Tom Cruise Twister would be the grounded 90s movie he never made, until War of the Worlds years later.
“It's the movie Cruise never made in the 90s that he should have made.”
industry (industry):
Twister → Jurassic Park.
Marketing a disaster around unknown leads follows Jurassic Park, where Sam Neill and Laura Dern were known but not famous.
“coming off of Jurassic Park where it was like Sam Neil and Laura Dern were like well-known, but not famous.”
lineage (lineage):
Internal Affairs → The French Connection.
Dirty-cop movies trace back to the 70s classics, the French Connection and Serpico among them.
lineage (lineage):
Internal Affairs → Live and Die in L.A..
Bill places Internal Affairs alongside Live and Die in L.A. as a cool pre-Heat L.A. conflict movie.
“it's up there with like live and die in LA of like a really cool preheat LA conflict.”
contrast (contrast):
Training Day → Internal Affairs.
Training Day knows it is a different prism on dirty cops, while Internal Affairs treats a dirty cop as fun to watch.
“Yeah, training day is in a completely different prism and it knows that this movie is kind of like, ah, it's fun to watch Richard Gere be a dirty cop.”
contrast (contrast):
Internal Affairs → Bad Lieutenant.
Bad Lieutenant is the dirtiest cop ever but tries too hard to be deranged; Internal Affairs is deranged without trying.
“This movie is deranged, but it doesn't try too hard.”
career (career):
Mike Figgis → Neil Jordan.
Figgis is described as a provocative director working genre movies inside the system, like maybe Neil Jordan.
“There's not a lot of guys like him, like maybe Neil Jordan or somebody like that.”
lineage (lineage):
Internal Affairs → Bad Influence.
Bad Influence came out the same year and is similarly unhinged, part of an 89 to 91 run of dark sex-tinged movies.
“But there's like, because also bad influence with Rob Lowe and James Bader comes out this year.”