Stan Lee

Made films the shows talk about.

Wikidata Q181900: matched by corpus:resolve, told apart by Wikidata joins them to The Avengers, which The Avengers credits them on.

Counted as actor. The films the hosts said they acted in, which the two lists below run through too: Iron Man (2008); The Incredible Hulk (2008); The Avengers (2012); Captain Marvel (2019). Count them as writer (4 films) instead.

Draws on

What the speakers say they, or a film of theirs, drew on. Each is a speaker's account: “the maker said so” when they report the maker's own words, “the host's read” when the read is theirs.

Guardians of the Galaxy (2014): 2 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Captain Marvel (2019), which they acted in: Guardians of the Galaxy ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). As a prequel, Captain Marvel brings back Guardians characters Ronan (Lee Pace) and Korath (Djimon Hounsou).
    “this is, of course, a prequel, so their characters appear in this film again.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:43:32 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft) · through Captain Marvel (2019), which they acted in: Guardians of the Galaxy ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). The Flarkin cat in Captain Marvel is a version of the Drax metaphor joke, but this film's joke lands better thanks to the cut to his face.
    “And you know, you know, the cat in Captain Marvel is like a version of this joke.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Guardians of the Galaxy · 1:46:06 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Incredible Hulk (2008): 2 lines, within their own work

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Avengers (2012), which they acted in: The Incredible Hulk ⇒ The Avengers (the host's read). Avengers' line about Hulk 'breaking Harlem' is false: the Abomination did it.
    “That's the one thing they reference in Avengers, where he says, I kind of broke Harlem.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 1:34:36 · Griffin or David (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage) · through The Avengers (2012), which they acted in: The Incredible Hulk ⇒ The Avengers (the host's read). Ruffalo's first Hulk scene in a slum echoes this film's Rocinha opening, though otherwise the continuity is thrown out.
    “The only tale is that when the Mark Ruffalo hook was introduced, they find the little hot.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 0:25:11 · Griffin or David (0.25 sure it was them)

Batman Forever (1995): 1 line

  1. craft (craft) · through Captain Marvel (2019), which they acted in: Batman Forever ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). The prosthetic-ears-and-face-paint alien look recalls the trashy 1990s comic book movies, specifically Batman Forever.
    “It felt a little bit like Batman forever at times where I was like, that guy is definitely just wearing face paint.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:12:25 · Amanda Dobbins (0.70 sure it was them)

Captain America: The First Avenger (2011): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Captain Marvel (2019), which they acted in: Captain America: The First Avenger ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). The film goes back to the Steve Rogers style of origin story.
    “here's how Steve Rogers became a super soldier style of storytelling.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:03:27 · Sean Fennessey (0.80 sure it was them)

Hulk (2003): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Incredible Hulk (2008), which they acted in: Hulk ⇒ The Incredible Hulk (the host's read). Despite the reboot claim, the same three relationships (Hulk, Betty, Thunderbolt Ross) carry through, as does the South America opening.
    “And those 3 relationships feel very much on a continuity with everything that happens in English film.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 0:06:37 · Griffin or David (0.35 sure it was them)

Iron Man (2008): 1 line, within their own work

  1. industry (industry) · through The Avengers (2012), which they acted in: Iron Man ⇒ The Avengers (the host's read). The post-credits Nick Fury scene established the shared-universe model that changed Hollywood for a decade or more.
    “I mean, this has changed the next 10 years of Hollywood filmmaking.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 2:13:16 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Pulp Fiction (1994): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Captain Marvel (2019), which they acted in: Pulp Fiction ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). Samuel L. Jackson driving around mid-90s Los Angeles evokes Jules Winfield, a clever but surface 90s nod.
    “a Samuel L. Jackson character in the mid 90s driving around in a car in Los Angeles, a la Jules Winfield in Pulp Fiction.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:18:39 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)

RoboCop (2014): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Iron Man (2008), which they acted in: RoboCop ⇒ Iron Man (the host's read). The Ironmonger voice and suit recall ED-209, and the finale is ED-209 versus RoboCop.
    “You know what the voice is? He's Ed 209.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:53:20 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Stan Lee: 1 line, within their own work

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Iron Man (2008), which they acted in: Stan Lee ⇒ Iron Man (the maker said so: Stan Lee interviews). The film follows the first comic issue's origin; Lee wanted to make an industrialist war profiteer compelling to hippie kids.
    “here's like an industrialist, war profiteer, Laos, and make him like compelling to these, like, hippie kids.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:27:36 · unknown (probably David) (0.40 sure it was them)

Star Wars: The Phantom Menace: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Avengers (2012), which they acted in: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace ⇒ The Avengers (the host's read). The Chitauri transport creature with troops jumping off recalls the Battle Droid transport.
    “it's like the thing in Phantom Menace, the, uh, Battle Droid Transport.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 1:47:09 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Avengers (2012): 1 line, within their own work

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Captain Marvel (2019), which they acted in: The Avengers ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). The Tesseract, the glowing box, was a MacGuffin in the first Avengers and in Infinity War.
    “you may remember the Tesseract from the 1st Avengers film, and then, of course, the most recent Avengers film, Avengers Infinity War”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:09:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)

The Incredible Hulk (1977): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Incredible Hulk (2008), which they acted in: The Incredible Hulk ⇒ The Incredible Hulk (the host's read). A speaker says the film reuses the old TV show's score, the sad-guitar cue from Bixby walking away, even though Craig Armstrong scored it.
    “They used the score from the Incredible Hulk at some point in this movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 1:47:14 · Griffin Newman or David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Drawn on by

What the speakers say drew on them or a film of theirs, marked the same way.

Iron Man 3 (2013): 4 lines

  1. theme (theme) · through The Avengers (2012), which they acted in: The Avengers ⇒ Iron Man 3 (the host's read). Stark's arc across three Iron Man films peaks in Iron Man 3, and Avengers lays the track for its PTSD.
    “Iron Man 3 is all him being unable to cope with the psychological like trauma of this.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 2:07:49 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage) · through The Avengers (2012), which they acted in: The Avengers ⇒ Iron Man 3 (the host's read). Iron Man 3 works as a quasi-sequel to The Avengers because it deals with Tony's trauma of the portal and aliens.
    “Except it's it is a sort of quasi sequel to the Avengers in that it's dealing with the fact that he got sucked into a portal into space for a 2nd there.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 3 · 0:15:43 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage) · through Iron Man (2008), which they acted in: Iron Man ⇒ Iron Man 3 (the host's read). The Iron Man trilogy is closed into a circle by the flashback to the party and Becca Hall and Pierce.
    “as individualistic as this movie is, it actually like... It's bringing the 1st 2 complete.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man 3 · 0:18:57 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  4. theme (theme) · through Iron Man (2008), which they acted in: Iron Man ⇒ Iron Man 3 (the host's read). Iron Man 3 later parodies the Osama-type Mandarin expectation that Iron Man originally planned (Ten Rings leader, no magic).
    “And then Iron Man 3 wisely parodies that expectation.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:25:03 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

The Avengers (2012): 3 lines, within their own work

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Incredible Hulk (2008), which they acted in: The Incredible Hulk ⇒ The Avengers (the host's read). Avengers' line about Hulk 'breaking Harlem' is false: the Abomination did it.
    “That's the one thing they reference in Avengers, where he says, I kind of broke Harlem.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 1:34:36 · Griffin or David (0.30 sure it was them)
  2. industry (industry) · through Iron Man (2008), which they acted in: Iron Man ⇒ The Avengers (the host's read). The post-credits Nick Fury scene established the shared-universe model that changed Hollywood for a decade or more.
    “I mean, this has changed the next 10 years of Hollywood filmmaking.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 2:13:16 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)
  3. lineage (lineage) · through The Incredible Hulk (2008), which they acted in: The Incredible Hulk ⇒ The Avengers (the host's read). Ruffalo's first Hulk scene in a slum echoes this film's Rocinha opening, though otherwise the continuity is thrown out.
    “The only tale is that when the Mark Ruffalo hook was introduced, they find the little hot.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 0:25:11 · Griffin or David (0.25 sure it was them)

Thor: The Dark World (2013): 2 lines

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Avengers (2012), which they acted in: The Avengers ⇒ Thor: The Dark World (the host's read). The Dark World is the correction to Joss Whedon cracking Loki: he becomes co-lead, Thor 1A to Loki 1B.
    “This is the correction to Joss Whedon cracking Loki, where they're like, we get it now.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:20:47 · Griffin Newman (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage) · through The Avengers (2012), which they acted in: The Avengers ⇒ Thor: The Dark World (the host's read). Avengers ends with the team scattering, which is why the Phase 2 sequels can stand alone.
    “And also, Joss Wheaton's like master stroke at the end of Avengers is like, we're not a team.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor: The Dark World · 0:30:50 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015): 1 line

  1. contrast (contrast) · through The Avengers (2012), which they acted in: The Avengers ⇒ Avengers: Age of Ultron (the host's read). Age of Ultron opens with the team already together and Fury in hiding, so it is a sequel to five films rather than to Avengers.
    “Avengers 2 can't be a sequel to Avengers one. It has to be a sequel to 5 other moments.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 1:39:42 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Avengers: Infinity War (2018): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Avengers (2012), which they acted in: The Avengers ⇒ Avengers: Infinity War (the host's read). The Hulk echoes Tony Stark's words from the first Avengers; the movie is full of callbacks.
    “echoing Tony Stark's words from the Avengers 2012”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Avengers: Infinity War with John Hodgman · 0:25:44 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Captain America (First Avenger / MCU): 1 line

  1. programming (programming) · through The Incredible Hulk (2008), which they acted in: The Incredible Hulk ⇒ Captain America (First Avenger / MCU) (the host's read). The hero jumping out of a hangar plane becomes a recurring Marvel image, starting here and used in Black Panther and Captain America.
    “And this is the 1st of what then becomes the Marvel trope where a hero is either pushed out of or jumps out of the back of like a hangar plane.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Incredible Hulk · 1:31:34 · Griffin or David (0.35 sure it was them)

Captain Marvel (2019): 1 line, within their own work

  1. lineage (lineage) · through The Avengers (2012), which they acted in: The Avengers ⇒ Captain Marvel (the host's read). The Tesseract, the glowing box, was a MacGuffin in the first Avengers and in Infinity War.
    “you may remember the Tesseract from the 1st Avengers film, and then, of course, the most recent Avengers film, Avengers Infinity War”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:09:03 · Sean Fennessey (0.85 sure it was them)

Ghostface Killah: 1 line

  1. people (people) · through Iron Man (2008), which they acted in: Iron Man ⇒ Ghostface Killah (the host's read). Ghostface is the Wu-Tang member particularly obsessed with Iron Man, who is the avatar of many of his songs.
    “Iron Man is like the like his hero.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:40:17 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Guardians of the Galaxy (2014): 1 line

  1. programming (programming) · through The Avengers (2012), which they acted in: The Avengers ⇒ Guardians of the Galaxy (the host's read). Thanos' Chitauri subcontracting sets up the cosmic films; Guardians is next on their Marvel list.
    “We're gonna we're gonna cover Peter movie soon.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 1:34:57 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

Iron Man (2008): 1 line, within their own work

  1. lineage (lineage) · them, directly: Stan Lee ⇒ Iron Man (the maker said so: Stan Lee interviews). The film follows the first comic issue's origin; Lee wanted to make an industrialist war profiteer compelling to hippie kids.
    “here's like an industrialist, war profiteer, Laos, and make him like compelling to these, like, hippie kids.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:27:36 · unknown (probably David) (0.40 sure it was them)

Teen Titans Go! To the Movies (2018): 1 line

  1. craft (craft) · through Iron Man (2008), which they acted in: Iron Man ⇒ Teen Titans Go! To the Movies (the host's read). That film parodies the page-flipping Marvel logo, which opens Iron Man.
    “They, uh, they do a really good parody of that in, um, Teen Titans go the movies.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:08:41 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

Thor (2011): 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · them, directly: Stan Lee ⇒ Thor (the host's read). The Donald Blake identity came from Stan Lee's 60s devotion to the secret-identity trope; the movie keeps it only as a fake ID gag.
    “in the 60s, Stanley was a little slavishly devoted to like the classic superhero comic trope, so you needed a secret identity”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:08:08 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)

Thor: Ragnarok (2017): 1 line

  1. theme (theme) · through The Avengers (2012), which they acted in: The Avengers ⇒ Thor: Ragnarok (the host's read). Ben's favorite Marvel movie; Hulk's journey into space follows from here.
    “Ragnarok is 100% Ben's favorite Marvel movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · The Avengers · 1:18:58 · David Sims (0.40 sure it was them)

modern superhero movies: 1 line

  1. lineage (lineage) · through Iron Man (2008), which they acted in: Iron Man ⇒ modern superhero movies (the host's read). Called the prototype format every later superhero film riffs on.
    “this is the prototype for the modern superhero movie.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:09:11 · unknown (Griffin or David) (0.30 sure it was them)

What the speakers said they did

Writing (5) everyone in writing

Acting (4) everyone in acting

Other (1) everyone in other

What was said about them, by kind

craft (2)

  1. craft (craft): Stan Lee → George Lucas. Lucas and Spielberg not talking down to young audiences echoes Stan Lee's magic.
    “that was kind of Stan Lee's magic too.”
    Blank Check with Griffin & David · Raiders of the Lost Ark with Brian Michael Bendis · 1:30:57 · Brian Michael Bendis (0.80 sure it was them)
  2. craft (craft): Stan Lee → Iron Man 2. The Stan Lee cameo running joke is mistaken identity: Hugh Hefner here, Larry King in Iron Man 2, then they dropped it.
    “In Iron Man 2, they think he's Larry King.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:16:15 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)

industry (1)

  1. industry (industry): Clark Gregg → Stan Lee. Agent Coulson popping up is the next-stage Stan Lee cameo, an in-on-the-joke moment.
    “He is like the, the, the next stage Stan lease.”
    The Big Picture · ‘Captain Marvel’ Is a ’90s Nostalgia Play. Did It Work? | Exit Survey · 0:45:20 · Sean Fennessey (0.70 sure it was them)

lineage (2)

  1. lineage (lineage): Thor → Stan Lee. The Donald Blake identity came from Stan Lee's 60s devotion to the secret-identity trope; the movie keeps it only as a fake ID gag.
    “in the 60s, Stanley was a little slavishly devoted to like the classic superhero comic trope, so you needed a secret identity”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Thor · 0:08:08 · David Sims (0.50 sure it was them)
  2. lineage (lineage): Iron Man → Stan Lee. The film follows the first comic issue's origin; Lee wanted to make an industrialist war profiteer compelling to hippie kids.
    “here's like an industrialist, war profiteer, Laos, and make him like compelling to these, like, hippie kids.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 0:27:36 · unknown (probably David) (0.40 sure it was them)

theme (1)

  1. theme (analogy): Vladimir Nabokov → Stan Lee. Writing Lolita is likened to Stan Lee giving himself the hardest character to sell, with Iron Man.
    “Um, and Lolita was like that stage of Nabakov's career where he was just like, fuck it, I'm coming for you.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Lolita with Fran Hoepfner (Ad-Free) · 0:31:43 · unknown (0.00 sure it was them)

Fun items about them

  1. fun, about Stan Lee: See the cameo where Stan Lee is mistaken for Hugh Hefner; in Iron Man 2 it's Larry King; the running joke was dropped.
    “Yeah, so in this, he thinks it's Hugh Hefner.”
    Blank Check — Patreon · Iron Man · 1:15:56 · unknown (0.30 sure it was them)