Loves charisma performances, movie stars at their peak, and trivia from Tarantino's circle. Champions Brad Pitt as the winner. Can't stand awards mistakes like The Artist winning, and he warns about the 'Oscars should wait five years' view. A sucker for 1960s details, driving scenes, and Boogie Nights real estate.
Stances
Brad Pitt won the movie
Oscars should be awarded five years later
Focus is underrated
Humor: Runs bits on movies he almost bought, fake research, and sports-style comparisons.
In their words
“I think Pitt won the movie.” (1:17:58)
“I think I'm the only one that likes focus.” (0:32:43)
Loves the mid-80s Eddie Murphy and the movie's cultural phenomenon, and has a clear soft spot for Lisa Eilbacher. Is a sucker for Hollywood-excess anecdotes (Simpson, cocaine, Rourke, Stallone) and for sports analogies. Has little patience for plot logic holes but loves list games and categories.
Stances
Eddie Murphy in 1984 was the biggest star in the world after Michael Jackson
Lisa Eilbacher is the Apex Mountain and the film's winner
The Eddie-Murphy-as-star what-if game (Top Gun) is a worthwhile question
Humor: Rapid-fire sports analogies (WAR, LeBron, Dion Waiters, Shawn Michaels) and mock-indignant asides.
Loves the lore of how a movie got made, the lists (casting what-ifs, recasting), and the 'unanswerable questions' category. Has little patience for Lawrence Tierney's acting or for Ebert missing on Tarantino. He remembers the 1992 Boston era of a movie that mattered and is a sucker for a heist.
Stances
Tarantino won the movie
Lawrence Tierney is bad (the 'Mike Francesa' bit)
Does not want new Reservoir Dogs content
Wants to see the heist, plays devil's advocate
Humor: Throws sports analogies, invents award names, and runs recurring bits like Roger Ebert and Felony Land.
In their words
“I love bank ice scenes.” (1:23:55)
“It's Tarantino, and I think all of those actors robbing a bank.” (1:23:22)
“Can I make the case for seeing the heist?” (1:23:18)
Loves ensemble casts and film-lineage framing, sports analogies (Dwight Gooden, Penny Hardaway), and the show's recurring awards. Wants a better soundtrack, and cannot stand the ending speech. Is a sucker for his wife and kids' opinions of the film.
Stances
Mean Girls is the best Lorne Michaels movie
Lohan's decline is like an athlete's lost career
Soundtrack and ending speech are weak
Humor: Dry, sports-and-family riffs, often teased by his co-hosts.
In their words
“that was like Dwight Gooden in 1985 on the Mets.” (0:27:59)
“I think this is the best Lauren Michaels movie.” (0:16:22)
Bill loves old-school sports myth-making, baseball nostalgia, the Natural's chill scene, and stat-nerd rabbit holes like reconstructing Roy Hobbs's season. He is picky about throwing motions and lineup logic, and is a sucker for the dugout-emptying slow-motion shot. He ranks Bull Durham/Hoosiers/Rocky near the top and finds slow hospital stretches in sports movies unbearable.
Stances
The Natural used to be the greatest sports movie but is now slower than he remembers
Every great sports movie needs a chill scene
Dislikes bad throwing motions on screen
Hospital detours in sports movies should be cut short
Roy Hobbs was a Bonds-level statistical machine, or worse
Humor: Dry, list-making sports-nerd riffs and reaching pop-culture asides (Bachelor, Harry Potter) delivered as if serious.
In their words
“My move with sports movies is like, get me out of the hospital as fast as possible.” (1:00:37)
“nothing drives me crazier than when somebody can't throw in a baseball movie.” (0:56:43)
Loves Gen X touchstones and basketball analogies; sticks up for Winona Ryder and Friends season one; mocks Troy-type guys and over-talky English majors. A sucker for half-assed internet research and awards-bit tradition.
Stances
Winona Ryder won the movie
Singles is a flawed but beloved sibling
Ben Stiller deserves credit
Humor: Rolls NBA references and mock-feuds into everything.
In their words
“I do look at her in a way, like, uh, like I look at some NBA players.” (0:32:14)
Loves sports-adjacent silliness, big broad comedy and quotable lines, and wedding toast chaos. Can't stand being wrong about movie trivia he has already litigated. A sucker for his own running categories and bits (Ebert, Joey Pants, Dion Waiters).
Stances
Roger Ebert is never to be trusted on comedies
Comedies of the era were a nice 6-7 year run
Open your movie with a wedding theory
Luke Wilson is not Harrison Ford
Humor: Deadpan rapid-fire teasing of co-hosts and mock-outrage, plus sports references.
In their words
“never to be trusted on comedies.” (0:15:17)
“This movie also nicely slots into my open your movie with a wedding theory.” (1:01:05)
Loves sports analogies, Kurt Russell and Pacino's Cruising, defends 90s movies like Fletch. Dislikes dated romance interludes like the picnic. A sucker for mustaches and Dana Wheeler-Nicholson.
Stances
Val Kilmer wins the movie
Wyatt Earp is the rival, Tombstone is more entertaining
Cruising is incredible
Cut the 12-minute theater scene
Humor: Rapid-fire sports comparisons and teasing his cohosts.
In their words
“I think this movie is the perfect microcosm of both of their careers.” (0:12:28)
“I just don't come to Tombstone for picnics” (0:29:44)
Loves old-school and 5 o'clocker action, Seagal, Stallone, Nick Cage, and movies that know exactly what they are. Can't stand over-explained worldbuilding or sequels that give the hero a known villain. A sucker for the Neeson comeback and for ranking things by era.
Stances
Taken is the perfect 5 o'clocker
Taken 2 is not better than the first
Neeson is the Apex Mountain of the movie
The first Taken works because there is no main villain
Humor: Deadpan nitpicking, escalating sports analogies, and long self-deprecating dad stories.
In their words
“I just like watching movies that know exactly what they are.” (0:32:10)
“I don't think it's a John Wick 2 situation where John Wick 2 is actually somehow better than John Wick one, or we could at least have the debate.” (0:42:12)
Loves big star-driven movies and sets the show's categories; adores the Wahlberg and Baldwin scenes, Boston flavor and the crazy cast what-ifs. Can't stand Nicholson's performance here, implausible plot points and the rat. A sucker for 'that guy' actors, Goodfellas and Boston details.
Stances
The Departed is a Hall of Famer because it is flawed and fun
Leo won the movie, Nicholson loses it
Costello should have been Pacino
Damon's Boston accent beats Wahlberg's
Scorsese's Stones fetish is funny
Humor: Deadpan nitpicking, jokes about plot holes and trivia, rapid mock-outrage.
In their words
“This is a perfect rewatchable because it is a great bad movie.” (0:12:23)
Calls Spielberg the greatest director ever but is skeptical of his late period and Munich. Loves Jaws, Raiders, and E.T. through his kids, and measures movies by whether kids can stay with them. Distrusts the calculating, career-minded side of Spielberg and Spielberg's DreamWorks hedging.
Stances
Spielberg's first 15 years are the greatest career stretch ever
His recent work is solid but not special
Spielberg is 'calculating' where Mann or Coppola are obsessive
Judges movies by whether his kids can watch them
Humor: Wry and teasing; leans on sports analogies (LeBron, Popovich) and bits like 'hit by a car in 1986'.
In their words
“if you just got hit by a car at the peak of your career, how would people remember you?” (0:51:08)
“I judge everything by my kids who have, you know, 21st century ADD with pop culture.” (1:00:09)
Their shows' recurring bits
Running bits, not opinions; a critic read aloud is cited, not present.
The Big Picture
Drafts: Hosts and guests draft films in rounds; every pick is a recommendation with an argument.
Hall of Fame: A star's or director's best, ranked and argued.
Countdowns: Ranked lists, top five or top ten.
The Rewatchables
Apex Mountain: The moment a star peaks; where on the mountain a performance sits.
Who Won the Movie: The hosts name the person who came out of the film best off.
The Ebert review: Roger Ebert's original review and star rating read aloud. Ebert is cited, never on the show.
Casting what-ifs: Who was almost cast, or who should have been.
Most rewatchable scene: The scene each host would stop on while flipping channels.
Aged best / aged worst: What holds up and what does not.
Picking Nits: The little things in a film the hosts love that they don't think totally work: the nits.
Double feature: The film each host would pair it with; a programming pick.
Their claims
Showing 901–1,000 of 1,295 claims.
people (people):
Sylvester Stallone → Staying Alive.
Stallone directed Staying Alive and put himself in the redone opening credits.
unmapped (torch passing):
Tom Cruise → Paul Newman.
Cruise was number one and Newman tenth in the 1986 Quigley poll, so the narrative was Cruise taking the torch; Cruise modeled himself on Newman but went the Redford route.
“Cruz did kind of model himself after Newman in some ways, but ultimately went more of the Redford route”
verdict (career ranking):
The Color of Money → Slap Shot.
Only Butch Cassidy, Cool Hand Luke, The Verdict and Slap Shot rank above this among Newman's films for the speaker.
“I think only Butch Cassidy, cool hand Luke, the verdict and slapshot would come ahead of color money for it.”
career (career tone):
Paul Newman → The Sting.
The Sting is the movie Bill associates him with most but sees it as his most easygoing, cruising performance.
“I think it's also his most easygoing performance.”
what-if (casting what-if):
Paul Newman → Jaws.
Newman turned down Quint in Jaws; Bill thinks he would have made a good Brody, but Quint is Robert Shaw.
unmapped (directorial constraint):
The Color of Money → Panic Room.
Both directors were handed a confined, mundane space and responded with showy camera flourishes.
“it reminds me a little of panic room with Fincher.”
people (performance extremity):
Tom Cruise → Heat.
Cruise's Werewolves of London pool scene goes for it as hard as anyone on the podcast other than Pacino in Heat.
“cruise goes for it as much as I think anyone's ever gone for it. Maybe in the history of this podcast other than Pacino and Heat.”
people (same actor):
Bruce A. Young → Risky Business.
Moselle in this film is the same actor who played Jackie the prostitute in Risky Business, likely brought back by Cruise.
what-if (casting what-if):
Jackie Gleason → The Color of Money.
They thought about bringing back Gleason as Minnesota Fats, but he felt the role was an afterthought.
“They thought about Gleason, bringing back Minnesota fats.”
people (same actor):
Paul Herman → Goodfellas.
The Atlantic City bar guy is Paul Herman, who is the 'helicopters' guy in Goodfellas and Beansy on The Sopranos.
“is Paul Herman, who in Goodfellas is like, you want to see helicopters? I'll make you see helicopters.”
unmapped (production trivia):
The Color of Money → Goodfellas.
Scorsese came up with Goodfellas while filming this movie after reading a review of Wiseguy.
“Scorsese came up with Goodfellas when he was filming this.”
career (career arc):
Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio → The Abyss.
After this she did The Abyss and Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves; they wonder if criticizing Cameron hurt her career.
“she came out so hard against Cameron during the abyss, whether that made her like a problem child”
unmapped (Cruise sing-along):
Top Gun → Cocktail.
In the best Tom Cruise singing-along category, Top Gun, Cocktail, Risky Business, Jerry Maguire and this film compete; Top Gun wins as camp and 80s.
“Top Gun probably wins because it's a whole scene and it's Anthony Edwards and It's out of control, campy”
career (career phase):
Bill Murray → Groundhog Day.
Bill's three-phase Murray: What About Bob?, Groundhog Day and Quick Change form the adult phase after Ghostbusters.
“he has, what about Bob and Groundhog Day pretty close together? And quick change”
what-if (casting what-if):
Will Ferrell → What About Bob?.
Only Will Ferrell, in his view, could also have played Bob over 35-40 years; but Murray has a character-actor gear Ferrell may lack.
“I actually think Will Ferrell would have also crushed this part.”
unmapped (recurring bit):
Bill Murray → Stripes.
Murray's flirt-by-annoying persona goes back to SNL's Todd and Lisa Loopner sketches with Gilda Radner and Stripes, then becomes the whole premise of What About Bob?
“He did it in stripes when he was trying, you know, his way of trying to like flirt with people would be to annoy them.”
unmapped (therapist movies):
What About Bob? → Good Will Hunting.
Bill's therapist Mount Rushmore includes both, along with Analyze This and Ordinary People.
“Movies that had to include a therapist used in some profound way in the actual plot.”
theme (same premise):
Analyze This → The Sopranos.
The Sopranos has basically the same mob-boss-in-therapy premise and cut the legs out of Analyze This's legacy.
“the Sopranos completely cut the cut the legs out of that movie from a legacy standpoint because the Sopranos is basically the same premise”
unmapped (prior episode):
Mr. Holland's Opus → Richard Dreyfuss.
The trio did Mr. Holland's Opus a few months earlier and discussed Dreyfuss's addiction history there.
“We talked about him a lot when the 3 of us did Mr. Holland's Opus a few months ago”
people (actor's heel turn):
What About Bob? → Mr. Holland's Opus.
Both are Richard Dreyfuss movies where he plays an asshole; Sean traces his heel turn from nice-guy hero to the worst guy in the movie, starting here.
“No one has had a heel turn. Like Richard Dreyfuss. And it starts with what about Bob?”
unmapped (80s wagoner / lake-house comedy):
What About Bob? → The Great Outdoors.
The 80s station wagon shows up in many comedies, including The Great Outdoors and Harry and the Hendersons; also lake-house small-town dreaming.
craft (era tone):
What About Bob? → Parenthood.
Parenthood used a school-shooting imagery as a comedic device, another example of things no longer made.
“Or even parenthood where they use a school shooting for a comedic device.”
what-if (casting what-if):
Woody Allen → What About Bob?.
Woody Allen was approached to play Dr. Marvin, direct, and possibly co-write; he turned it down.
“Woody Allen was approached to play Dr. Leo Marvin, was also considered to direct, which is bizarre, and possibly co-write the script.”
what-if (casting what-if):
Charlie Korsmo → Terminator 2: Judgment Day.
Korsmo was the original choice for the Edward Furlong role in T2 but did What About Bob? instead.
“We found out he was the original choice for the Edward Furlong role, but he did what about Bob instead?”
unmapped (child-star cohort):
Charlie Korsmo → Elijah Wood.
Korsmo, Macaulay Culkin and Elijah Wood are called the early-90s three-headed dragon of child actors, like dunking KG and C-Webb.
lineage (ripped off):
Growing Pains → The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
Bill's hot take: Fresh Prince's famous Uncle Phil scene was lifted from a Growing Pains episode with Leo.
“was actually ripped off from growing pains and Leo”
theme (house comparison):
What About Bob? → The Good Son.
Bill says the lake house is one thing, but the house in The Good Son was probably made up; leads to Culkin evil-kid horror.
“Here's here's where this game ends when you see the house from the good house from the good son.”
unmapped (evil-kid horror):
The Good Son → Brightburn.
Evil-kid horror lineage: The Good Son, The Omen, Orphan, and Brightburn (Superman-as-alien child).
“He made a movie called Brightburn. Oh, Brightburn's great.”
lineage (lineage):
Seven → Heat.
Grouped with Usual Suspects, Heat and Casino as the four defining 1995 movies, three of which were shut out at the Oscars.
“Our usual suspects, which we recently did, Heat Casino in seven.”
contrast (contrast):
Seven → The Usual Suspects.
Both were hugely influential 1995 genre movies that the Oscars largely ignored; Usual Suspects got a screenplay win while Se7en got only editing.
“Usual suspects had space to get nominated for best supporting actor, and it got nominated for best original screenplay.”
industry (industry):
Seven → The Usual Suspects.
Spacey went uncredited in Se7en and the earlier-released Usual Suspects built momentum; two twists may have been too much for the Academy.
“I wonder if 2 super duper, incredibly memorable twists, a quarter of a century later, uh, was too many for the academy to handle”
career (career):
Kevin Spacey → Seven.
Spacey's billing choice (uncredited) kept the twist secret in a pre-internet era, which fed a slow-building box office.
“And it was a great move by Spacey not to be credited.”
career (career):
David Fincher → Alien 3.
Fincher fought the studio on Alien 3 in press coverage, with Sigourney Weaver backing him, then seemed unlikely to direct again.
what-if (what-if):
Seven → The Sopranos.
Fincher's planned fade to black would have resembled the Sopranos cut to black, which Bill came around on after years.
“I think I would have eventually felt the same way I do about the Sopranos ending where I actually like the Sopranos ending now.”
verdict (verdict):
Seven → Casino.
Casino was a near miss against Goodfellas, framed as 98 out of 100 versus 100 out of 100, the same tier of 1995 hall-of-famer.
“It's like a 98 out of 100 compared to Goodfellows 100 out of 100, you know?”
career (career):
Brad Pitt → Interview with the Vampire.
Pitt's pre-Se7en run had flops and weird roles, including the homoerotic vampire movie he did with Cruise.
career (career):
Brad Pitt → Legends of the Fall.
Pitt fought the changed ending of Legends of the Fall and vowed not to do that again, then made Se7en and 12 Monkeys.
“Legends of the Fall, which some people like, but they changed the ending.”
career (career):
Morgan Freeman → Unforgiven.
Freeman's 1992 to 1995 run of Unforgiven, Outbreak, Shawshank, Se7en is a strong quartet with Outbreak the weak link.
“Outbreak is obviously the week, the weak link, but the other 3 are Hall of Famers.”
verdict (verdict):
Seven → Roger Ebert.
Ebert gave 3.5 stars, then republished a four-star review years later, which becomes the show's running Ebert gag.
what-if (what-if):
Sylvester Stallone → Seven.
Stallone reportedly turned down Mills, post-Tango and Cash, hunting for a dramatic movie that turned out to be Copland; Sly would have derailed it.
industry (industry):
Morgan Freeman → Deep Impact.
After Shawshank and Se7en Freeman had the juice to take shitty parts like Deep Impact for giant paychecks.
“he does this movie, and both of them are smashed successes, and that paves the way for him to be able to take shitty parts and deep impact and stuff like that”
fun, about
Friday the 13th:
Bill's mother and stepfather-to-be saw it in a Stamford theater; when Jason rose from the lake a man screamed 'get the fuck out' and ran up the aisle.
“this guy in front of them, stood up, screamed, get the fuck out, and started running out of the theater.”
fun, about
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre:
Dinner scene shoot: John Dugan refused to redo 5-hour grandpa makeup, so they shot it all in 30 hours, 100 degrees, rotting food, blackout curtains, cast puking outside. Edwin Neal called it worse than Vietnam.
“filming that scene was the worst time of my life, and I had been in Vietnam with people trying to kill me.”
fun, about
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre:
Hot take from Bill: the hitchhiker is scarier than Leatherface, because everyone has met someone fully gone in a bar who wants to show them a knife.
fun, about
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre:
Most 1974 thing: the hitchhiker's Polaroid with flashbulb, 'chain saw' as two words, 'old lady' for a girlfriend, and hitchhikers themselves.
“And then, uh, I think the winner is just hitchhikers.”
fun, about
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre:
The We Slaughter Barbecue sign and the gas station aged best; the real gas station is now a horror-themed barbecue restaurant and motel in Texas.
fun, about
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre:
Facts: 83 minutes, 868 edits, one chainsaw, one outfit, a $60,000 shoot (later $125K budget with promotion); it made $31 million; Ebert gave it 2 stars.
“There are 868 edits and an 83 minute movie, which apparently is a lot.”
fun, about
Franklin:
Bill's 'who we hate' pick: nobody is a worse hang than Franklin; Texas Monthly called him one of the most despicable handicapped people in film, the only one who almost deserves his death.
fun, about
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre:
Only one chainsaw death in the whole movie (Franklin), prompting the joke that it should be Texas Hammer Massacre.
“I mean, in some ways, Texas Hammer Massacre didn't go really the same.”
fun, about
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre:
Bill's hottest take: Leatherface was the victim, just defending his property in his own house with a hobby of taxidermy.
fun, about
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre:
Craig's life lesson: the real lesson is don't pick up hitchhikers and always have a full tank; Bill notes the lesson from Miyagi is get gas when you need it.
fun, about
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre:
Casting what-ifs: Bill's 1974 big-cast version has Jeff Bridges, Rob Reiner (wheelchair), Ron Howard, Penny Marshall and Goldie Hawn as the final girl. The real unknown actors are what makes it work. Cruise or Hanks gag in the van.
“Jeff Bridges, Rob Reiner and Ron Howard, maybe Rob Reiners in the wheelchair.”
fun, about
Gunnar Hansen:
Hansen admitted in his book Chainsaw Confidential that after failed attempts he secretly removed the protective tape from the knife and cut Burns's finger for real; Bill calls it an OSHA violation.
“he secretly removed the protected tape from the knife and cut Marilyn Burns's finger for real.”
fun, about
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre:
Money story: financed by mob-linked money (the Deep Throat producers), cast kept signing away shares, company went bankrupt, New Line bought the stuff and belatedly paid; nobody went on to a career.
“They ended up getting financing from basically the mob.”
fun, about
Gunnar Hansen:
Body Odor Award to Leatherface: he had one dyed shirt for four weeks and by the end of the shoot no one would stand near him.
“by the end of the shoot, no one would stand near him.”
fun, about
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre:
Who won the movie: Tobe Hooper, who got the best career out of it, at the Universal lot with Spielberg, directing Poltergeist.
fun, about
Domestic Disturbance:
Ebert quote: the audience critics saw the wrong last reel. He had to watch the movie twice in a week.
“the final confrontation so badly choreographed that I was not the least bit surprised when the studio called to say the Chicago critics had, quote, seen the wrong last reel.”
fun, about
Anti-apex:
Anti-apex list of listener's: Travolta in Look Who's Talking, Mike Myers in Love Guru, Brando in Dr. Moreau, Cliffhanger for a rock-climbing date.
“Cliffhanger as anti-apex for a rock climbing date.”
fun, about
Sicario:
Craig suggests Alejandro killed the cartel leader too fast; listener jokes he is a future true crime subject.
“I'd like to suggest the Bangkok Coralback tip off award for is Craig actually a serial killer who will one day have his own Netflix true crime documentary?”
fun, about
Hall of Fame:
Hall of Fame will have plaques and a special pod.
“I think we should just make, we should actually really put more time into this and then like announce it on some special pod and have like plaques and stuff.”
fun, about
Kelly LeBrock:
LeBrock described her Weird Science role as Mary Poppins with breasts, from a Hughes documentary; she is the best part because the character is made to improve the boys.
“she plays Mary Poppins with Brest, which I thought was a good way to describe the character.”
fun, about
Bill Paxton:
Paxton showed up in the party scene in sunglasses and a trench coat just to be around the set; cast calls him the nicest person.
“Apparently he dresses up in his sunglasses in a trench coat, trench coat, and he's in the party scene.”
fun, about
Species:
Meta category: Michael Madsen is the reason this film was picked after his death; Bill wanted Donnie Brasco, but Chris said Species.
“Michael Matson passed away and we had to do a Michael Matson movie.”
fun, about
Species:
Read before the Ebert review: a $35 million budget and a gross garbled in the transcript as $13.3 million (later someone says it made over $100 million).
fun, about
Species:
The Hollywood Hills guy, Robbie, looks like Nick Wright; the club murder and the Long Island iced tea section is Bill's favorite part.
fun, about
Griffin Dunn / After Hours:
Scorsese told Dunn not to have sex for the first 8 weeks to keep desire in Paul Hackett's eyes. Dunn lasted until the massage scene weekend, had an 'accident', and Scorsese stopped the take and guessed instantly.
fun, about
Catherine O'Hara and John Heard:
Best-aged detail: a glimpse of the future Home Alone parents through a window, before they were movie parents.
“soon they will be 2 of the most famous parents in movie history.”
fun, about
Linda Fiorentino:
Bill's long riff: why wasn't she ever on The Sopranos; he proposes a one-episode arc where she messes with Tony and he kills her.
“She could have done a one episode arc where she's just fucking with Tony and then Tony kills her.”
fun, about
Linda Fiorentino / Anthony Pellicano:
Sean's research: Fiorentino dated a former FBI agent who pulled files for Pellicano's case, and he pleaded guilty; Bill: that's a movie.
fun, about
Samuel L. Jackson:
Casting what-if: 1980s crazy Sam Jackson for two minutes as a barfly or vigilante mob member; 'Jules Winfield would be great.'
fun, about
Kevin Spacey:
New award invented: Kevin Spacey doing cocaine and harassing Tess in the limo wins craziest foreshadowing of a real-life event.
fun, about
Sylvester Stallone:
He sold the script to ABC; Henry Winkler had to get it back, and Stallone insisted on writing and starring for far less money.