Admires Eddie's subtlety in the film and the Detroit-set opening that sets it apart from other 80s blockbusters. Appreciates sly craft details like pop songs turning down for a scene. He is a sucker for the rival-duo moments and the soundtrack.
Stances
The opening feels like Mean Streets rather than an 80s blockbuster
Eddie's performance is quiet and sly, not stuck in a persona
Humor: Understated, pop-culture-reference humor.
In their words
“he's really sly in this movie” (0:06:13)
“Also, a secret trope of the 80s movie making is pop song playing over montage.” (0:35:52)
Loves big-picture film history and awards lore, brings printed research and Roger Ebert quotes, and likes comfort rewatches (Wedding Crashers, Beverly Hills Cop). Bad on moral outrage as a critical starting point. A sucker for pizza as a holy deity and for New York.
Stances
Do the Right Thing is a perfect screenplay and Spike's fiction apex
The Denby, Klein, and Crouch criticism missed the film
Tarantino lifted things from this movie
The worst New York pizza beats California food
Humor: Deadpan and procedural; reads 'half-assed Internet research' with mock apology, and picks fights over pizza.
In their words
“Half-assed internet research.” (1:06:03)
“Pizza is a holy deity to me.” (1:35:53)
“I have thought about this movie every day of my life since 1989, so ask away.” (1:32:24)
Sean is the one who treats Reservoir Dogs as a film education: the Melville and The Killing recommendations, the 10-year-old rewatcher who rented it. He loves the sound-and-image craft of the opening, Buscemi as the ideal Buscemi, and the commode story. Cannot let a bad accent go.
Stances
Reservoir Dogs is the film that shaped how he related to pop culture
Roth's accent is a pet peeve
Madonna's refutation is why the tipping theory wins the Ewing Award
Humor: Dry and unbothered, undercutting Bill's categories.
In their words
“Go rent the killing if you haven't seen it.” (0:47:22)
Cinephile with filmmaker-career knowledge (Todd Phillips' documentaries, Phillips-Cooper partnership). Loves Wayne's World 2 and rewards deep-cut details. Not a fan of The Hangover sequels or the Godfather compound mistake.
Stances
Todd Phillips won the movie
Hangover 2 and 3 are not worth revisiting
Fuck the South Shore, North Shore forever
Never said Frank Sinatra wasn't cool
Humor: Mock-wounded pride about his Godfather misses and hometown loyalty.
In their words
“I am from the northern shore of Long Island, and I'm north shore till I die.” (1:09:30)
“it's Todd Phillips for me because of everything I said.” (1:05:58)
Cares about behind-the-scenes lore and fair historical context; likes Kurt Russell's career arc and Westerns. Dislikes stereotypical bad takes. Provides the lore breakdown.
Stances
Tombstone is better than Wyatt Earp
Russell's apex is 1982-83
Ghost director story is the soul of the film
Kurt Russell wins spiritually
Humor: Dry, knowing asides, calls out cohosts' takes.
In their words
“The miracle of this movie is that so it was basically, let's just say it's directed by 3 people.” (0:09:03)
“He was nominated for best supporting actor, four, Silkwood” (0:48:04)
Obsessed with Brian De Palma and sees this as his last great movie; loves Carlito's Way, The Untouchables, Blow Out, and heist movies like Rififi. Dislikes masks that break the rules. A sucker for Henry Czerny and the Langley vault.
Stances
This is De Palma's last great movie
Langley heist is the most rewatchable scene
Villains' goals in the MI series are always vague
Humor: Enthusiastic, tangents about Usenet confessions and hypothetical senator IP.
In their words
“I love I love Brian De Palma's movie making.” (0:07:34)
“I realized that this is his last great movie” (0:06:56)
Loves gory, funny, fast genre movies with craft and confidence, especially 87-minute films that never overstay. Can't stand ponderous elevated horror that fills out its runtime with introspection and sad family history. A sucker for the Carpenter-era lineage, Die Hard homages, and directors who break studio dogma.
Stances
Resident Evil is one of the best films of the year
Horror movies have become a drag; fun genre experiences are needed
Short running times are a virtue
Video-game films work best when great filmmakers get creative license
Humor: Dry, self-deprecating banter and bit-building (mouse in Boston, Dion Waiters riff, cardigan mouse).
Loves slashers and the final-girl canon, and writes about them; holds Miasma up as an A-plus and Obsession as incomplete but provocative. Uses Smile 2 as a reference. Is a sucker for tonal gear-shifts and sincere-yet-silly filmmaking.
Stances
Miasma is sweet and sincere, not scary
Obsession is incomplete but its reaction is unusual
Horror is more mainstream than ever
Final-girl trope has run to the end of the road
Humor: Dry teasing, running gags with Adam about the Blue Jays and podcasting.
In their words
“as a certified slasherologist,” (0:30:16)
“I like camping miasma exponentially more, you know, like much, much more.” (0:39:49)
“Okay, Adam, one thing, one movie that I revisited this week in writing about Final Girls was Smile 2.” (0:44:06)
A lifelong He-Man collector who admits the film has his number even when he thinks it is flawed. He loves Henson fantasy, Excalibur, and unvarnished, handmade movie moments, and prizes sincere emotional entry points. He is allergic to Marvel-style end-credit teases and sequel bait, and is a sucker for Hensonian creature work and toy nostalgia.
Stances
The film is wildly flawed and too long but tonally interesting
Handmade, unpolished horror like Obsession is what the fandom wants
Fantasy canon is mostly the five things everyone says
Tired of sequel-bait end credits
Humor: Self-deprecating about being a broken fan critic, riffing on his own 'film critic or not' persona.
In their words
“I'm a bizarre broken person and this silly thing means a lot to me, right?” (0:42:31)
“I want to watch a movie finish itself.” (1:12:44)
“Yeah, I would I would throw Dark Crystal and Excalibur into that cannon.” (1:18:46)
Likes lean, formally controlled genre movies, prefers Sondheim to Lloyd Webber-era musicals, and respects cult phenomena once he understands them. He doesn't care for modern movie musicals, bad-good irony, or over-psychologized horror. He is a sucker for movie stars and celebrity mystique and for a good Letterboxd rating.
Stances
Mamma Mia is both very good and very bad and he's willing to join the cult
Camera work and direction in Mamma Mia are poor
Dislikes modern musicals like Wicked and over-performative choreography
Not fond of 'so bad it's good'
The Strangers is richer than its 81 minutes suggest
Humor: Dry, digressive and self-deprecating, building long riffs on sports fandom, marriage and Meryl Streep's filmography.
In their words
“I've never seen a film be so good and so bad simultaneously.” (0:52:28)
“I'm actually willing to join the cult, but it is extremely important to talk about the myriad ways in which this movie also kind of stinks.” (0:52:38)
“It's just not a bad idea for a movie and maybe there should be other movies like this.” (1:26:26)
Loves genre craft and auteur signatures: devoted to Sam Raimi, delighted by Send Help as exactly what he wants from any month, and fond of movie stars with range. Detests mean-spirited, incoherent studio product like Mercy, and likes making lists of underused stars. A sucker for Beatles, Chris Pine and scenes that feel like real fights.
Stances
Mercy is ugly, mean, immoral and structurally confused
Send Help is the model fun genre movie, and Rachel McAdams should be in more
Hollywood misuses stars, especially women over 40
Amy Adams is partly responsible for her own bad roles (low confidence in attribution)
Humor: Dry compliment-sandwich deadpan, with dramatic mock hosting and running bits like the list of 22 stars.
Loves ambitious, Hollywood-about-Hollywood spectacle and big-swing auteur messiness: Babylon, Nope, Avatar: The Way of Water, Barbarian, EEAAO. Likes genre mashups with sincere hearts, rewatches Zack Snyder's Justice League, and wants theatrical formats (70mm). Will follow a filmmaker for decades after one great film.
Stances
Babylon is a near masterpiece and he is obsessed with it
Peele's messier movies reward rewatching
Avatar: The Way of Water is a film he loves and was moved by
Awards campaigns should not define a movie's reputation afterward
Humor: Dry, performative magnanimity, grandly generous gestures, and teasing his co-hosts about pants.
In their words
“I love Babylon more than I love tar.” (0:31:21)
“I love, love, love this movie.” (0:43:31)
“I tend to not go back to films aside from Zack Snyder's Justice League, which I've seen 10 times.” (0:32:25)
“I think it's probably his most satisfying film for me since in Bruges.” (0:44:50)
Loves the apotheosis of Scorsese's style and long, ambitious movies, and champions Leo, blues-drenched needle drops and big Hollywood events. He is bothered by audiences who misread excess as celebration and by passion projects that take decades. He is a sucker for personal connections, like Long Island details, and for a rankable list.
Stances
Wolf is the culmination of Scorsese's hyperkinetic 21st-century style
Leo's performance may be his best of the century
Audiences who read Wolf as a celebration are misreading it
Silence is a serious rival pick
Humor: Dry and self-deprecating, deflating moments with a deadpan aside and teasing his co-host.
In their words
“it's like the final boss of a thing he developed in the 21st century as a director.” (0:03:29)
“So we continue to make mistakes throughout this experience.” (0:02:06)
Loves Wes Anderson's Rushmore best and treats Tenenbaums as the calling card. Responds to its imaginative-Texan, literary-pop sensibility, and to sad comedy. Admires showy camera moves and needle drops. (Attribution of individual remarks is low confidence.)
Stances
Tenenbaums is the right Anderson pick as a bridge from indie to institution
Hackman's resistance to the Anderson style makes the film
Humor: Self-deprecating banter about fantasy football punishment and eyeliner.
In their words
“I will wear the Richie Tenbaum headband.” (0:26:06)
Loves Moneyball as one of his favorite movies of the decade, a baseball obsessive, a fan of Pitt's movie-star presence and Sorkin's writing. Drawn to character studies about unfulfilled promise and process movies. Allergic to self-serious later Miller and to Oscar logic.
Stances
Moneyball is the best sports movie of the decade
Pitt's best performance
Bennett Miller is interested in characters, not sports
Oscars miss the right role
Humor: Deadpan, self-deprecating banter, running gags about Chris Ryan and pants.
In their words
“The best sports movie of the decade, one of the, for my money, the best performance by one of the great movie stars of our generation.” (0:02:37)
Loves tilted, genre-mixing movies (Wild at Heart, Gremlins 2) and mainstream crowd-pleasers he grew up with (Home Alone, Ghost, Total Recall). He kept the draft's logic and also took the Spike Lee Mo' Better Blues as a heartfelt late pick. A sucker for sequels with a point of view and for the Rewatchables tie-in.
Stances
Gremlins 2 is among the cleverest movies about the scary future of America
Wild at Heart is great but not top Lynch
Chose to skip five sequels to New Hollywood classics in the sequel slot
Humor: Dry, deadpan teasing, especially of his co-hosts' drafting mistakes and the Braves.
In their words
“I'm taking David Lynch's Wild at Heart.” (1:11:00)
“one of the cleverest, if not the most clever movie about like the scary future of America” (1:15:14)
“I think misery is the best movie of the bunch.” (0:57:28)
Sean is the Minecraft-business optimist who still admits it is a mediocre movie; he loves a theatrical crowd losing its mind, auteur exercises (Soderbergh), music movies, queer European arthouse thrillers and Canadian cinema (Egoyan). He recommends in bulk, with caveats ('mixed on this, but I want to recommend it'). He's a sucker for the macro story: globalization, China, IP, and the studio math.
Stances
A Minecraft Movie is not a good movie but is an important, essential one
Kids deserve their own movies; chicken jockey gave him life
Theatrical revival needs IP and eventization right now
Film critics (incl. himself) share blame for the superhero glut
Optimistic about April and the studio year despite a bad Q1
Humor: Deadpan thesis-mongering and self-mocking melodrama ('movie bleed out'), with a constant needle for Amanda's habits.
In their words
“I'm excited about what's happened over the weekend and I have so many reasons why.” (0:01:58)
“I'm ove indexed on caring about movies.” (0:52:38)
“But you're right that I am kind of paying a penance because my enthusiasm contributed to leading us to this place.” (0:46:09)
Saw Babygirl three months before the episode and again with his wife, and the second viewing made him want a dog. Names The Brutalist his favorite movie of the year and conducts the Halina Reijn interview. Attribution inside the Hall of Fame draft is uncertain, but the draft voice that reads the filmography, champions Dead Calm and wants to hold a listener vote is probably his.
Stances
Babygirl works best as set pieces, a comedy of manners played straight, not Basic Instinct
The Brutalist is the best film of the year
Pushes Dead Calm into the Hall of Fame (low confidence)
Humor: Dry and needling, prone to pretending to be wounded.
In their words
“I think we should get a dog.” (0:12:02)
“I'm very curious about, uh, the big needle drops.” (2:32:14)
Loves spectacle done with craft and the practical heft of the original Gladiator; counts it just under his top tier of Ridley Scott. Can't stand sloppy CGI animals, soft scripts and legacy sequels that merely restate the original. A sucker for actors committing, a big Mad Max: Fury Road partisan.
Stances
Gladiator II is a huge disappointment and also incredibly entertaining
Denzel Washington is the best thing in it, but Macrinus's villainy was telegraphed
CGI baboons and sharks pull him out of the film; real animals would be better
Wants Ridley Scott to finally win Best Director
Humor: Dry, ringleader-style needling of his co-hosts, with absurd escalations (method-acting baboons, Bitcoin vs. cranking it).
In their words
“how do you communicate that this movie is a huge disappointment to me and also incredibly entertaining.” (0:16:31)
A fan of Chazelle's showy, homage-heavy filmmaking and a self-declared proud member of the Babylon hive. Loves Singin' in the Rain, physical media, genre like Suspiria, and the Immaculate theatrical experience. Can't stand long bad blockbusters, though long ambitious films do not bother him. Hunts movie-night rituals and bits.
Stances
Babylon is a maligned masterpiece and the middle and ending montage hold up
Long movies are fine when they are good; the problem is long bad blockbusters
Movies are best with a crowd and a ritual of focus
Humor: Deadpan tangents and mock-solemn setups (snack lists, bridge-dog theory, fake complaints about the golf scandal) that pull the room off the film and back.
In their words
“Now, listen, I am a proud member of the Babylon Hive.” (2:57:53)
“who's going to show this kid? Suspiria, you know, if not me.” (1:52:01)
“Tell you what, I think I'm a pretty normal guy.” (1:09:04)
Their shows' recurring bits
Running bits, not opinions; a critic read aloud is cited, not present.
The Big Picture
Drafts: Hosts and guests draft films in rounds; every pick is a recommendation with an argument.
Hall of Fame: A star's or director's best, ranked and argued.
Countdowns: Ranked lists, top five or top ten.
The Rewatchables
Apex Mountain: The moment a star peaks; where on the mountain a performance sits.
Who Won the Movie: The hosts name the person who came out of the film best off.
The Ebert review: Roger Ebert's original review and star rating read aloud. Ebert is cited, never on the show.
Casting what-ifs: Who was almost cast, or who should have been.
Most rewatchable scene: The scene each host would stop on while flipping channels.
Aged best / aged worst: What holds up and what does not.
Picking Nits: The little things in a film the hosts love that they don't think totally work: the nits.
Double feature: The film each host would pair it with; a programming pick.
Their claims
Showing 1,201–1,300 of 1,576 claims.
craft (craft):
JFK → John Williams.
Williams wrote six pieces without seeing the film and Stone cut to them.
“Oliver Stone cut the movie to the music that John Williams provided”
contrast (release-strategy contrast):
Trolls World Tour → The King of Staten Island.
Trolls World Tour had baked-in IP and marketing; Staten Island is a standalone comedy going to VOD with little awareness.
“This is a significantly different choice than something like Trolls World Tour, where there's a lot of baked in understanding of the IP.”
unmapped (theater reopener):
Tenet → Christopher Nolan.
Tenet is meant to reopen theaters on July 17 and Nolan was unhappy with the WarnerMedia comments.
“his new movie, Tennant, is supposed to be the movie that reopens theaters on July 17th around the country.”
unmapped (kids repeat-viewing):
Frozen 2 → Trolls World Tour.
Kids' movies bought on iTunes for endless rewatching, now moving straight to streaming services.
“has been buying movies on iTunes for his kids like Frozen 2 to watch over and over again.”
unmapped (streamer day-and-date example):
Let Them All Talk → Mank.
HBO Max could debut the Soderbergh movie directly instead of qualifying via theaters, hence streaming's Oscar ramifications.
“what happens when HBO Max debuts the new Stephen Soderberg movie rather than putting it in theaters to qualify”
unmapped (set tragedy):
Twilight Zone: The Movie → John Landis.
A helicopter stunt killed Vic Morrow and two children; Landis was prosecuted and acquitted.
“A helicopter crashed during a stunt and Vic Morrow, Jennifer Jason Lee's father, was killed along with 2 children during the making of this movie”
industry (awards upset):
No Country for Old Men → There Will Be Blood.
No Country beat There Will Be Blood for best picture, then ratings were low and the Academy changed the rules.
“And it beat, there will be blood, which is painful for me, but still, no country for all men, incredible film.”
people (same director / awards cautionary):
Mank → The Social Network.
Fincher's perverse films are hits but the Academy snubs them, as when The Social Network lost to The King's Speech.
“notably the social network, being defeated by the king speech, which is a result that should be should die in a fire.”
industry (awards upset):
The Social Network → The King's Speech.
King's Speech beat Social Network at the Oscars, which the speaker finds unforgivable.
“notably the social network, being defeated by the king speech, which is a result that should be should die in a fire.”
industry (release-strategy comparison):
The Irishman → Marriage Story.
Irishman, Marriage Story and Roma were positioned as theatrical releases, which got voters to buy in.
“The Irishman and Marriage Story and Roma as well were positioned as theatrical releases.”
industry (streaming effect):
The Ballad of Buster Scruggs → Coen Brothers.
Streaming access to segments may have helped it get nominations, or voters just love the Coens.
“I thought that movie actually got a few stray nominations because people were like, oh, I could just watch any segment of this I want”
verdict (favorite):
Jojo Rabbit → Archie Yates.
Archie Yates is Amanda's favorite person in the universe, though he is a supporting performance and Roman Griffin Davis is the star.
“This is Amanda's favorite person in the universe.”
verdict (head-to-head):
Uncut Gems → Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
In best casting, Uncut Gems beats the big shiny ensembles (Little Women, Once Upon a Time) because of the unknown faces it found.
“Uncut gems because not just because of the people you know, but mostly because of the people you don't know.”
people (producer):
Alita: Battle Angel → James Cameron.
Directed by Robert Rodriguez and produced by James Cameron, yet it is the least-discussed successful film of 2019.
“It's a movie directed by Robert Rodriguez produced by James Cameron.”
verdict (head-to-head):
John Wick: Chapter 3 – Parabellum → Alita: Battle Angel.
The dog fight wins best action sequence on the strength of unprecedented design and what the director said was the hardest thing he had done.
unmapped (reprised role):
Spider-Man: Far From Home → J.K. Simmons.
J. Jonah Jameson from the Toby Maguire movies unmasks Spider-Man in the final twist, getting the loudest reaction of 2019.
“That was the loudest vocal reaction I had heard to a movie in 2019.”
verdict (head-to-head):
The Irishman → Portrait of a Lady on Fire.
Best ending: Irishman's landing justifies everything before it; Portrait's ending moves Amanda; Parasite is also argued; they pick three different endings.
“It not only sticks to the landing, but the landing justifies everything that came before.”
people (casting moment):
Triple Frontier → Ben Affleck.
Triple Frontier is nominated for casting partly because of what the culture was doing with Ben Affleck then; its best moment is Oscar Isaac in a helicopter set to Metallica.
“we see Oscar Isaac flying in a helicopter set to Metallica's For Whom the Bell Tolls, and I was like, oh, it's this kind of movie.”
craft (craft):
Triple Frontier → Metallica.
The film's high point is Oscar Isaac in a helicopter set to Metallica's For Whom the Bell Tolls, a needle drop that promises more than the film pays off.
“we see Oscar Isaac flying in a helicopter set to Metallica's for whom the Bill Tolls”
unmapped (trailer):
Us → Lupita Nyong'o.
The Us trailer, first seen on the Christmas NBA games, used a re-engineered song to make you want to leave dinner for the movies.
“I thought that was an extremely effective use of, of a trailer to like, make you want to leave, thank, or Christmas dinner to like go to the movies immediately.”
people (same actor):
Richard Jewell → Jojo Rabbit.
Sam Rockwell gave two better performances than his nominated one, in Richard Jewell and Jojo Rabbit.
“I like him in whatever mode he is in Richard Joel and in Jojo Rabbit.”
unmapped (voter perception):
Midsommar → Get Out.
Aster won't get a directing nod again because voters see him as having done that already; Get Out was more pop.
unmapped (joke):
The Farewell → Triple Frontier.
Amanda quips about which is better, The Farewell or Triple Frontier, while the farewell is being discussed as family.
industry (industry):
1917 → Joker.
Speaker expected 1917 rather than Joker to lead nominations, since 1917 is technically accomplished.
“I think I expected that to go to 1917, which is a little bit recency bias and also just because I expected 1917 to grab every single technical nomination”
contrast (contrast):
Joker → Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King.
Most-nominated films that also win Best Picture tend to be noisy movies like Return of the King, and Joker is noisy too.
“Tends to happen with noisy movies like Lord of the Rings, the Return of the King.”
industry (industry):
1917 → Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Three films by already-celebrated directors (Tarantino, Scorsese, Mendes) each got ten nominations.
“3 people who made films who have been hugely recognized in the past Quentin Tarantino, Martin Scorsese and Sam Mendes.”
contrast (contrast):
Parasite → The Irishman.
Parasite's craft nominations without acting nominations contrast with the star-driven recognition of The Irishman and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
“maybe not the same kind of Hollywoodized star mastery that a movie like The Irishman or Once Upon a Time in Hollywood receives.”
career (career):
Marriage Story → Little Women.
Baumbach and Gerwig both got Best Picture and screenplay nominations but neither got Best Director, which the speaker finds fitting for a couple.
“Both of them were nominated for Best Picture, and both of them were nominated for screenplay in different categories.”
what-if (what-if):
The Two Popes → The Wife.
Speaker said The Two Popes would turn out to be this year's equivalent of The Wife, a back-door acting-nominee film.
“It's weird that the 2 popes turned out to be the new the wife.”
verdict (verdict):
Frozen II → Toy Story 4.
Frozen 2 makes no sense and does not deserve recognition just for being popular, whereas Toy Story 4 is among the year's best.
“Toy Story 4 is legitimately one of the best movies of the year.”
contrast (contrast):
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre → The Innocents.
Sean's horror test: supernatural or extraordinarily visceral. Chainsaw is gory, The Innocents ghostly.
“So Texas Chainsaw Massacre is not supernatural, but it is incredibly gory and violent.”
verdict (verdict):
Blair Witch (The Woods) → The Exorcist / Exorcist III.
Sean says Blair Witch's last half hour is scarier than anything else he's seen in a theater though the film isn't good, like the Exorcist III sequence versus the Exorcist.
“There's a part of Exorcist 3 that is scarier than any other moment in the Exorcist trilogy, but I wouldn't say Exorcist 3 is better than Exorcist.”
contrast (contrast):
Under the Silver Lake → It Follows.
Under the Silver Lake is a detective, paranoia, internet movie, a very different energy from It Follows.
“more of a detective movie, more of like a hipster examination of paranoia and looking for coded messages”
fun, about
Bohemian Rhapsody:
Queen's opening felt like a Jones Beach concert you'd see with your mom; and there were as many cutaways to Brian May in the show as in the film.
“It was just sort of like a concert you'd see at Jones Beach, like with your mom.”
fun, about
Die Hard / Red Desert:
His list runs from Fellini and Antonioni to Predator and Die Hard; Fennessey sums it up as Die Hard 8 or a Red Desert remake.
fun, about
Close Encounters of the Third Kind:
Chris moved it up the list mid-conversation after realizing how many ideas are in it; the Lucas/Spielberg wager story.
fun, about
Peter Sellers:
Sellers received a best actor nomination for what are effectively three supporting roles; the speakers think it may be the only such nomination.
“It is such a unique nomination to be like, this guy is the lead of the film because he plays 3 supporting characters in an ensemble.”