Appreciates craftspeople and lesser-known directors (loves The Boost and City Hall) and attends Cannes. Scrutinizes plot logic and loves Buscemi's Fargo energy. Disdains the garage finale.
Stances
The movie works until the murder, then the investigation sinks it
Modern tech would have ended the plot
Harold Becker's career deserves a look
Humor: Wry, uses film-nerd references and dry understatement.
In their words
“I just saw it for the 1st time this year is amazing.” (0:30:27)
“I just feel like reverse image search alone on a photo of Rick just ends this whole thing.” (1:08:35)
Treats After Hours as a top-5 Scorsese and an all-time favorite; loves style, Pee-wee-adjacent oddballs, Frances Ha and film-history research. Can't stand lazy comic-book flatness or explicit violence for its own sake. A sucker for homage, trivia and a clean pace.
Stances
After Hours is a hinge in Scorsese's career
Goodfellas' look starts here
Pauline Kael misread it
Nighttime New York movies are a lineage
Humor: Dry, researched asides and a New Yorker's grumble about the city changing.
In their words
“It's just a hinge movie for him, you know?” (1:41:36)
Barely audible in the transcript; credited by Bill's live-show promo and addressed as 'Fantasy', he offers short remarks on Spider Rico. Little can be said about his taste from this episode.
Admires Walken's monologue craft and Tarantino's refusal to sell out. Likes movie stars taking risks in non-star roles (Stallone in Cop Land). Dislikes how the film ends up with Fabienne.
Stances
Walken wins the Dion Waiters Award
Travolta, not Day-Lewis, was right
Tarantino never sold out
Humor: Quiet, wry one-liners; takes the long view.
In their words
“Don't massage my wife's foot unless you're a professional masseuse is one of my takes.” (0:10:40)
“I love when movie stars play non-movie star roles.” (2:41:43)
“Having him play like just one normal hitman having a weird day would be awesome.” (1:39:01)
Likes the sketch-driven silliness and Mini-Me/Scott Evil feud. Annoyed by Fat Bastard's grossness and Felicity sleeping with him. Likes Rob Lowe's resilient career.
Stances
Fat Bastard scene is the worst-aged
Dr. Evil nipples age best
Heather Graham deserves credit
Humor: Dry, plays straight man to Bill's tangents.
In their words
“Felicity sleeping with Fat Bastard has just grossed me out in 1999.” (0:37:25)
Sean is the most film-critical of the three, with a theory of Pacino as broken by Scarface and an argument that The Insider is his most calibrated performance. He admires Plummer's non-impression of Wallace and values the Mann-Roth research. He is less into the score and the style when applied to a white-collar story.
Stances
The Insider is probably Pacino's best performance
Mann's style strains for individuality and sometimes ages him
The movie is a little masturbatory when applied to a hotel-room decision story
The score is not his favorite Mann element
Humor: Wry and observational, with film-critic asides and self-deprecating comments about being excommunicated from the Mann club.
In their words
“I think this is truly his last great masterpiece.” (0:07:22)
“I think that the insider is probably his best performance because it's the one that is the most finely calibrated between loud, crazy, and kind of subtle and stormy” (0:12:36)
A DVD head and Letterboxd regular who would cave on the deleted scenes. Likes the fact sheets, craft details like Ozu, and friendship movies. Dislikes the sequel idea and the Costner scene being sat on forever.
Stances
Would show the cut Costner scene
Doubts Grand Canyon
Humor: Dry quips and the straight man to the Letterboxd jokes.
Cares about directorial craft and homage; Scorsese devotee. Praises performances and lessons over the direction, which he finds first-time-filmmaker plain. Bothered by mixed Goodfellas homages.
Stances
Wonders if Goodfellas echoes are purposeful
Scorsese directing would be more thrilling but less breezy
Wants answers on who planted the car bomb
Humor: Plays straight-man with deadpan nitpicks and question lists.
In their words
“my obsession with Martin Scorsese is probably rooted in the fact that I didn't have that.” (0:08:56)
“I just want to know how much of what he was doing was a purposeful homage to Goodfellas” (1:32:47)
Altman is in his top five favorite filmmakers and he knows the filmography cold, from Tanner '88 to Cookie's Fortune. He's a sucker for Carver and Blu-ray collecting and defends Greta Scacchi. He has little patience for TV-style stretches of an asshole.
Stances
Altman's legacy is the filmmakers he influenced
The Player is one of Altman's three or four best
Movies have been good for 15 months
The oral biography is the place to start with Altman
Humor: Dry and a little snobby about his own collector habits; deadpan fact-drops.
In their words
“He is in my top 5 favorite filmmakers ever.” (0:08:57)
“I think it's really like definitely one of his 3 or 4 best movies.” (0:10:20)
“I think movies have been good for like 15 months.” (1:40:05)
Film-nerd who values Willis's daring taste in directors and takes seriously the craft and the cultural footprint. Fond of Renny Harlin's Long Kiss Goodnight, De Palma, and a good that-guy roll call; skeptical of the movie's incoherent plot and the 9/11-erased airport.
Stances
Willis took risks with unproven filmmakers
Die Hard 2 is still among the better action movies of its era
Long Kiss Goodnight is Harlin's coolest movie
Air traffic control access was problematic
Humor: Dry, specific and film-literate; sets up jokes with precise references.
In their words
“he was willing to take on projects with filmmakers who were maybe not as proven.” (0:07:32)
Film-nerd who builds the big readings (Hitchcock lineage, Fincher career arc) and loves camera moves through walls and Blu-rays. Won't love the accent in Silence of the Lambs; sucker for nitpicks about propane physics.
Stances
Panic Room is Hitchcock doing Psycho after North by Northwest
Silence of the Lambs is still Foster's best
Likes Adventureland best of Stewart
Nitpicks the propane tank and phone logic
Humor: Dry and literate; gets teased for loving cameras inside walls and Blu-rays.
In their words
“I still think is probably the best thing she's ever been a part of” (0:29:47)
“I would say Adventureland is my favorite, Kristen Stewart” (1:34:50)
“Sean loves when we take cameras inside walls.” (1:21:07)
Loves Ang Lee's range, Brokeback Mountain, tragedy with satire, and thinking about how industry changes. Can't stand over-explained text. A sucker for Joan Allen and small observed behavior.
Stances
Lee has the most varied filmography of any major director in 30 years
The film is more satire than bum-out
Joan Allen is the apex pick
Humor: Earnest and precise, then undercuts with a deadpan aside.
In their words
“He probably has the most varied filmography of any major director in the last 30 years.” (0:09:07)
“Joan wins out of all the actors.” (1:23:11)
“I thought that movie was good, and that kind of came and went, and it was almost in the wrong decade.” (1:12:00)
Film-history lens: loves the Method actors versus movie-star divide, Scorsese's visual flourishes, and Newman's integrity. Dislikes the idea that Ebert missed the ending's point. A sucker for Grady Seasons and Amos scenes.
Stances
It's a torch-passing movie in both business and story
Ending ambiguity is the point, not a flaw
Newman integrity explains the forfeit
Scorsese is great at making a small movie feel big
Humor: Dry film-nerd asides, like claiming he will be 'young and vital forever.'
In their words
“Just that I'm going to be young and vital forever, so I still don't relate to any of that stuff, you know?” (0:21:09)
“it's one of the most exciting and entertaining movies he ever made.” (0:16:10)
“Newman is one of the few guys who basically fused both disciplines.” (0:05:48)
Proud Bill Murray devotee who frames careers in eras; loves the 'from hell' genre and craft details like cinematographer and editor credentials. A champion of Julie Hagerty and Dr. Melfi. Gets a kick out of deep trivia and the Muppets.
Stances
Murray has two phases, pre- and post-Rushmore
The film is a successor to Pacific Heights
Anna may be a post-college adult
Dreyfuss finally plays the character he was destined for
Humor: Confident, nerdy deep cuts and theory-building that makes the others groan, such as the post-college Anna reading.
In their words
“Think of this movie as a logical successor to Pacific Heights.” (0:46:51)
“Sean, you're a Bill Murray guy. Proudly. Proudly.” (0:03:35)
Admires Mann's themes and the rich cinematic lineage; calls himself a weed smoker for Heat but loves Thief. Fond of Caan's volatile nuance, finds Weld and Nelson fascinating.
Admires Fincher as a control-freak craftsman and sees Hitchcock behind Se7en. Can't stand when the Academy rewards uplift over difficult genre filmmaking. A sucker for the Freeman-as-lead reading.
Stances
Se7en is the darkest mainstream American movie ever made.
Pitt is not top-tier here; it is Freeman's movie.
Fincher won the movie.
Humor: Dry and precise, deadpan asides.
In their words
“this is just about the darkest mainstream American movie ever made.” (0:05:59)
“it's also just completely a Hitchcock movie in so many ways.” (0:14:30)
Critic-minded and history-minded: loves the real SNL oral histories, Siskel, Ritchie and Chandler-style noir. Cannot stand weak acting, especially Dana Wheeler-Nicholson here, and defends Siskel over Ebert. A sucker for HBO Max old movies.
Stances
You have to get Chevy Chase to get Fletch
Dana Wheeler-Nicholson is a bad actress
Ebert missed the point
Humor: Dry, authoritative asides and long rants framed as scholarship.
In their words
“I think if you don't get Chevy Chase, you will never get this movie.” (0:02:14)
“You may recall from the Tombstone podcast that I noted that she is a bad actress and she's not good in flutch.” (0:51:31)
Loves the Cameron-Ferris friendship, Hughes's relationships, and the film as a closed system of perfection. Cannot stand overthinking about why it works; a sucker for people who keep it together while coiled. Defends innocent fun and Cameron.
Stances
Ferris is the movie but audiences relate to Cameron
The film works as an unreplicable perfect moment
Jeffrey Jones was the right choice over Paul Gleason
Hughes is a rare writer who channels all kinds of characters
Humor: Dry, deadpan, quick to drop a zinger; the host who delivers the Silent Judge side-eye.
In their words
“It's like a, this is a very closed system of perfection.” (0:19:12)
“Your dirtbag ethics have nothing to do with what makes Ferris Bueller beautiful.” (1:26:08)
Treats Tarantino as the central author, loves Leo DiCaprio's work here, and defends the movie's themes against online complaints. Loves the Bruce Lee roof scene. Can't stand criticism that misses the point about beginnings and endings of careers.
Stances
Quentin wins every Tarantino movie
Leo's performance is the best of his career
The Margot Robbie criticism missed the point
Humor: Dry, deflecting, and gets teased about Equinox and Leo.
In their words
“I think Leo decided in like 1992.” (0:15:50)
“I think Quentin wins all of his movies.” (1:17:39)
Self-described not a huge Bond person who finds Skyfall scratches the part of his brain other Bonds do not; loves the Silva rat speech and dialogue scenes. A Peter Morgan disciple and Anglophile who can pick out British character actors.
Stances
Skyfall's action is accessible and legible
Silva dominates the film
Hacking is the worst-aged element
Humor: Deadpan nitpicks and bits about vlogging villains.
In their words
“I am not a huge bond person.” (0:04:20)
Their shows' recurring bits
Running bits, not opinions; a critic read aloud is cited, not present.
The Big Picture
Drafts: Hosts and guests draft films in rounds; every pick is a recommendation with an argument.
Hall of Fame: A star's or director's best, ranked and argued.
Countdowns: Ranked lists, top five or top ten.
The Rewatchables
Apex Mountain: The moment a star peaks; where on the mountain a performance sits.
Who Won the Movie: The hosts name the person who came out of the film best off.
The Ebert review: Roger Ebert's original review and star rating read aloud. Ebert is cited, never on the show.
Casting what-ifs: Who was almost cast, or who should have been.
Most rewatchable scene: The scene each host would stop on while flipping channels.
Aged best / aged worst: What holds up and what does not.
Picking Nits: The little things in a film the hosts love that they don't think totally work: the nits.
Double feature: The film each host would pair it with; a programming pick.
Their claims
Showing 1,301–1,400 of 1,576 claims.
theme (theme):
The Invitation → Green Room.
Sean puts both on his runners-up list and says they belong in a separate category called terror.
“I think that those 2 movies should almost be recategorized into what we might call terror.”
verdict (verdict):
The Cabin in the Woods → Dracula.
Cabin in the Woods isn't scary but is still horror, the way the original Dracula is a horror film that no longer scares.
lineage (lineage):
It Follows → The Witch.
It Follows is a precursor to The Witch in the rise of the term elevated horror, a phrase both hosts distrust.
“I think is an interesting precursor to the witch because that's when we started hearing what I think is kind of an ugly phrase, which is elevated horror”
“Black Panther 2 in particular, though, struck me as weird because it might be after the rise of Skywalker, maybe Avatar 2, the most anticipated movie that exists”
industry (industry):
Ford v Ferrari → Bob Iger.
Iger blamed down earnings on failed Fox films Disney inherited, so Ford v Ferrari is the first Fox film Disney is really putting its back into.
“Well, recently Bob Iger in a call about earnings basically placed a lot of the blame on Disney's down earnings on the failure of several Fox films that they inherited, that they did not develop themselves.”
unmapped (preference):
El Camino: A Breaking Bad Movie → Aladdin.
Asked to choose, a host would take a Breaking Bad movie over another Aladdin-style remake.
“Let it be Breaking Bad then, rather than Aladdin.”
industry (industry):
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood → Long Shot.
Counterprogramming may be dead, and fewer original films get made if they go only to streamers.
“The question is whether or not people will still make movies like that if nobody goes to see them in the theaters.”
contrast (contrast experience):
Avengers: Endgame → Dark Phoenix.
Endgame's roaring screening is contrasted with a Dark Phoenix showing interrupted by a fire alarm.
“It was the opposite experience movie watching than you had from Avengers, which is getting a fire alarm in the last 45 seconds of the movie”
unmapped (tonal shift):
Brittany Runs a Marathon → Mike Nichols.
Sean sees a Nichols-like pattern of starting one way and shifting into a different movie.
“I feel like a lot of his movies start one way with a certain tonality and then they make a shift and then all of a sudden you're in a different movie”
craft (structure):
Brittany Runs a Marathon → Carnal Knowledge.
Carnal Knowledge starts one way and ends another, which is what Sean meant about the Nichols shift; it is also shot theatrically.
“Wait, it starts one way and it ends another way. That is fantastic.”
contrast (contrast):
The Last Waltz → Homecoming.
The Last Waltz is great for reasons other than the performances; Homecoming is great precisely because of the performance.
“I think homecoming is great, particularly because of the performance.”
theme (theme):
Beyonce → other control-freak filmmakers.
Her total control over collaborators is compared to male auteurs, who are just not also dancers and singers.
“to compare her to other control freak egomaniac filmmakers.”
programming (programming):
The Irishman → A Star Is Born.
Producer Bobby suggests The Irishman is this year's A Star Is Born for the hosts' Oscar obsession.
“perhaps the Irishman is this year's a star is born for us.”
programming (programming):
The Irishman → Netflix.
Sean assumes the Irishman has a contractual theatrical release while the other Netflix films might not.
“I assume the Irishman has something contractually that says they'll do that.”
people (people):
Stephen Daldry → Roger Deakins.
Daldry and Deakins were said to be making the unmade Kavalier & Clay together; Garfield could not confirm it was Deakins.
“So Dawdry and Deacons were going to make Cavalier.”
contrast (contrast):
Shazam! → Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.
Fennessey says Shazam!'s tone differs significantly from Superman versus Batman and the Justice League films.
“I think tonally this movie is pretty significantly different from Superman versus Batman and the Justice League films”
industry (industry):
Zack Snyder → Justice League.
Fennessey ties the stormy shared look of earlier DC films to Zack Snyder, which DC is now abandoning.
“the same kind of stormy visual aesthetic that Zack Snyder created”
craft (craft):
Wonder Woman → Captain Marvel.
Wonder Woman did its origin story in the first 30 minutes and moved on; Captain Marvel spends the whole film on it.
“What Wonder Woman did was gave us the best version of its origin story in the 1st 30 minutes, and then we were kind of done with that.”
theme (theme):
Captain Marvel → Captain America: The First Avenger.
Captain America's plucky do-gooder works because Chris Evans gets to be a good guy; Captain Marvel's girl-power messaging feels falsely applied by comparison.
“when the movie is Captain America the 1st Avenger, and Steve Rogers is this plucky, patriotic do-gooder, we are like, huh, what a good guy.”
theme (theme):
Captain Marvel → Wonder Woman.
Wonder Woman, like Superman, is a god and needs less emotional complexity; Carol Danvers is a real person who is blank for most of the film.
“Wonder Woman, likes Superman, is a god. And the levels of emotional complexity that we expect from a god are lesser than a real person.”
lineage (lineage):
Captain Marvel → Pulp Fiction.
Samuel L. Jackson driving around mid-90s Los Angeles evokes Jules Winfield, a clever but surface 90s nod.
“a Samuel L. Jackson character in the mid 90s driving around in a car in Los Angeles, a la Jules Winfield in Pulp Fiction.”
craft (craft):
Captain Marvel → Salt-N-Pepa.
The soundtrack's music cues are called very surface, such as a guard listening to 'What a Man'; the speaker likes the songs themselves.
“all of the music cues are very surface. A security guard can be seen listening to what a man.”
craft (craft):
Captain Marvel → No Doubt.
The big fight sequence is set to No Doubt's 'Just a Girl', which the speakers call cute and clever but ham-handed, part of a BuzzFeed-list version of the 90s.
“And famously, I think what will be sort of infamous is the big fight sequence in this movie is set to, no doubt, just a girl.”
contrast (contrast):
Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck → Black Panther.
Sean says he does not think the directors of Black Panther or Thor: Ragnarok sold out, but the comparison to Boden and Fleck is unavoidable.
“I love Black Panther, and I love Thor Ragnarok, and I don't think either of those guys sold out when they made those movies”
craft (craft):
Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck → Captain Marvel.
The speaker guesses the directors built the soundtrack the way a person makes a mixtape of their favorite 90s songs, with every song going into the film.
“they just put all the songs that end up in the movie, on their mixtape”
contrast (contrast):
Captain Marvel → Captain America: Civil War.
Sean feels closer to Captain Marvel's attempt at a real person than to Civil War, a pop confection.
“I'm actually much closer to this movie in a lot of ways than I am to a movie like Captain America Civil War.”
industry (industry):
Captain Marvel → Courtney Love.
The closing credits end on Hole's 'Celebrity Skin' and Courtney Love is one of the controllers of the Nirvana estate, which the speaker reads as corporate synergy.
“I couldn't help but notice that the film's closing credits ended with whole celebrity skin and that one of the controllers of the Nirvana estate is Courtney Love.”
craft (craft):
Captain Marvel → X-Men.
Expository Marvel dialogue needs a stentorian Shakespearean actor like Patrick Stewart or Ian McKellen, which Larson is not.
“there's a reason that the X-Men movies cast people like Patrick Stewart and Ian McCellen”
career (career):
Ben Mendelsohn → Terrence Malick.
Mendelsohn worked long and prosperously before, including in Terrence Malick and Baz Luhrmann movies.
“he had appearing Terrence Malik movies and Baz Luhrmann movies”
fun, about
Bohemian Rhapsody:
Queen's opening felt like a Jones Beach concert you'd see with your mom; and there were as many cutaways to Brian May in the show as in the film.
“It was just sort of like a concert you'd see at Jones Beach, like with your mom.”
fun, about
Die Hard / Red Desert:
His list runs from Fellini and Antonioni to Predator and Die Hard; Fennessey sums it up as Die Hard 8 or a Red Desert remake.
fun, about
Close Encounters of the Third Kind:
Chris moved it up the list mid-conversation after realizing how many ideas are in it; the Lucas/Spielberg wager story.
fun, about
Peter Sellers:
Sellers received a best actor nomination for what are effectively three supporting roles; the speakers think it may be the only such nomination.
“It is such a unique nomination to be like, this guy is the lead of the film because he plays 3 supporting characters in an ensemble.”