Loves movie-star, over-the-top, kinetic filmmaking (JFK, The Verdict, A Few Good Men) and old-school craft; favors Paul Newman. Willing to admire films he doesn't believe in. Sucker for big speeches and taste-making directors.
Stances
Courtroom drama must be in the courtroom: no legal thrillers, no 12 Angry Men
JFK is a masterpiece despite being hogwash
Winner of the A Few Good Men scene is Tom Cruise
Humor: Mock-legalistic framing and affectionate hyperbole.
Loves the theatrical culture of places like Alamo Drafthouse, pedigreed auteurs (Fincher, Nolan, the Coens), and deep film-history binges. Can't stand corporate pettiness dressed as principle, and thinks The King's Speech beating The Social Network should die in a fire. A sucker for trivia glory and big awards-season structure (wants 75 awards).
Stances
Theaters will survive as a boutique business but wide-scale moviegoing will not last five years
Netflix's lead of finished movies makes it well positioned for the Oscars
Windowing will change and studios will test higher VOD price points
Humor: Mock-grandiose and self-aware, with bits like hosting a five-day awards festival and running out of frame during trivia.
In their words
“There should be 75 awards.” (0:50:42)
“I'm just trying to have a cinematic experience at all times.” (1:06:36)
Loves big, noisy, auteur and genre-bending work: The Lighthouse, Midsommar's ending, Alita and 6 Underground action, Gemini Man, Triple Frontier. Wants more categories and a nine-hour ceremony; adores Paul Walter Hauser and Uncut Gems. Can't stand news-anchor cameos in fiction and Oscar-bait homogeneity.
Stances
Wants more Oscar categories, not fewer
Spider-Man's post-credits scene counts as an ending
Defends Midsommar and The Lighthouse
Wants a casting Oscar and a best first feature
Humor: Cheerfully obsessive and self-mocking about his hobby-horse enthusiasms (the minute-by-minute Lighthouse podcast), with mock-legalistic rule enforcement.
In their words
“I will be starting one of those for the lighthouse.” (0:52:43)
“I personally would like there to be a 9 hours Oscar ceremony.” (0:12:22)
“Have you ever been sewn inside of a bear skin and lit on fire in a giant triangle.” (0:45:39)
Loves Parasite, Marriage Story, Little Women, Uncut Gems and champions Toy Story 4. Prickly toward Joker-style noisy awards bait, wants more fun and weirdness at the Oscars. Sucker for Hark segments and sporting analogies.
Stances
Academy has a taste gap against pop culture and women's stories
He loves The Cabin in the Woods, It Follows and The Witch and likes discussion-making horror like Get Out, but he distrusts elevated-horror branding. He wants to be physically dominated by a horror film, and says he is dead inside and cynical, so he is impressed when a film makes him feel something.
Stances
Get Out is the best horror film of the decade
Elevated horror is an ugly phrase
Horror needs something supernatural or extraordinarily visceral to qualify
Wingard is creative but ultimately disappointing
Humor: Deadpan needler of his guest who takes bits to their end, like the Tim Apple joke.
In their words
“I tend to think there has to be something either supernatural or extraordinarily visceral about the movie to qualify.” (0:10:18)
“I think I'm pretty dead inside and very cynical.” (0:11:46)
Loves big, event-level filmmaking and prizes one great movie over a great season of TV; he is a champion of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and of Tarantino and Anderson. Likes working through discourse and being a guide who tells friends what to see or skip. Has a soft spot for old-fashioned Hollywood comedy and for Mike Nichols.
Stances
One great movie beats prestige TV
Disney's dominance is overwhelming but not to be underestimated (Cameron)
Streaming may hollow out comedies made without theatrical money
Was surprised and moved by Luce
Humor: Dry deadpan teasing of co-hosts with running bits and impressions, such as PTA at D23.
In their words
“I still would always, always, always rather have one great movie than an experience like that.” (0:52:42)
“And that's why this is the big picture and not the watch.” (0:52:43)
Loves long things, big-tent Oscar movies (Ford v Ferrari, Once Upon a Time) and the business and career-arc angle of franchises. Skeptical of Tom Hooper and unclear streaming strategies; cares about artists controlling their image. As interviewer he probes how Garfield picks directors.
Stances
Homecoming is long, not boring, and great because of Beyonce the performer
Guava Island lacks a strategic purpose and sits outside Glover's mission
Under the Silver Lake has been slightly mischaracterized in the press
Humor: Self-deprecating wonk who plays his own wounded vanity for laughs and teases Amanda with Star Wars archetypes.
In their words
“I'm a big fan of long things.” (0:05:20)
“I am confused about what the strategic purpose of something like that is.” (0:11:33)
“This is upsetting how you have targeted my feelings.” (1:07:11)
Fennessey likes fun, audience-pleasing superhero movies that do something different and cares about tone and the business of the DCEU. He is curious about process, and is a fan of the filmmakers he interviews. He enjoyed Shazam!, though he found the final fight less effective.
Stances
DC's turn from interconnection to standalone movies is interesting and lower-risk
Shazam!'s first half works better than its punch-up ending
Wants to know how directors communicate what is in their heads
Humor: Dry and teasing, as in his mock-eager 'Can't wait for the trench.'
In their words
“I thought Shazam was a very fun and entertaining movie” (0:01:41)
“I don't think that part was as effective.” (0:05:55)
Loves origin-story craft done efficiently, Ben Mendelsohn, indie directors like Boden and Fleck, and Annette Bening. Bothered by surface-level 90s nostalgia, a rickety Marvel mythology load, and a character too powerful for stakes. Sucker for comic lore and for character actors.
Stances
Captain Marvel is rickety, overstuffed, and does too many jobs
Boden and Fleck taking a big-studio job is understandable, not a sellout
Captain Marvel is too powerful to build tension around
Wonder Woman did the origin story better
Humor: Dry teasing of Amanda's comic-book blind spots and deadpan asides about names like Yon-Rogg.
In their words
“I can't believe Jan Rag is the name of a character that I'm talking about on a podcast.” (0:07:03)
“he is one of my favorite living people.” (0:35:58)
“it's funny to see, you know, the McDonald's Happy Meal version of those movies in a lot of ways.” (0:25:50)
Defends Roma as a masterpiece worth reclaiming, loves Spider-Verse (the self-declared devotee), and takes Avengers: Infinity War seriously. Likes craft people with a through-line (Libatique, Corwin). Cannot stand the Oscars' song performances and the Green Book result.
Stances
Green Book winning is a farce
Bohemian Rhapsody should not be taken as great cinema
Spider-Verse beats Sense and Sensibility
Humor: Deadpan and bit-driven, with running gags like the Close Zone and the jar of cold fusion.
In their words
“I am putting my money down right now that says Spider-Verse better than Sense and Sensibility.” (1:00:25)
“green book winning best picture is a farce.” (0:22:56)
Loves GLOW and big, sincere genre movies, and is a hardcore former WWE kid who still lights up at Beyond the Mat. Treats wrestling movies as an industry phenomenon worth tracking. Is a sucker for lists and double features.
Stances
Fighting with My Family signals a more refined era of movies and wrestling
Rocky is the template for sports films
Wants guests' favorite lists (loves the 500-movie idea)
Humor: Dry, quick teasing, such as his joke about Michael B. Jordan in a Junkyard Dog biopic and Die Hard 8 or a Red Desert remake.
In their words
“I'm a huge fan of that show.” (0:03:35)
“I remember being a such such a hardcore WWE fan when that came out” (0:15:27)
“This is exactly my sort of thing.” (0:51:34)
“imagine Michael B. Jordan signing up for, you know, the junkyard dog biopic right now.” (0:09:47)
Loves a clear narrative and critics' consensus picks; Roma, Beale Street and Spider-Verse are his side. Cannot stand the HFPA and films that claim truth while drawing criticism. Sucker for Queen songs and Mahershala Ali.
Stances
Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody are not the best of the year
Globes versus critics is a problem for Roma and Star
Academy is lost without a plan
Humor: Mock-outrage escalation and self-aware yelling about a meaningless award show.
In their words
“I don't hate green book.” (0:10:42)
“We have to be able as a society and also as people who freaking vote on awards” (0:14:47)
Loves films that are sincere, meta and inventive, and praises vocal performance and rap on a soundtrack. Quick to dismiss the generic superhero origin slog and the lowered bar of Aquaman. A sucker for comic-book feel and a good casting parlor game.
Stances
Spider-Verse is extraordinary and unlike any animated movie
Origin stories are overdone, but the film subverts the trope
Rooting for it to win best animated feature
Having several Spider-Man continuities is a lot for a weekly film writer
Humor: Dry, self-deprecating, acting the aging man and the adult who tucks in his shirt.
In their words
“It's absolutely fantastic.” (0:01:29)
“I now find myself rooting for it for this strange silly award.” (0:29:24)
Loves Oscar-season contenders and deep conversations with filmmakers; says he just really loved Eighth Grade. Little else is stated in this trailer.
Stances
The Big Picture is moving out of the channel 33 feed into its own feed
Will cover more Oscar contenders and filmmaker interviews
Humor: Brief and promotional; no real jokes in the trailer.
In their words
“We're going to keep bringing you more banter about this year's Oscar contenders and more deep conversations with the filmmakers behind them” (0:00:17)
Loves the lean, tightly-told Spielberg entertainments like Jurassic Park and Raiders, and rates Close Encounters and Schindler's List highly. Is lukewarm on E.T. and Munich and a skeptic of the long-form Spielberg-as-prestige push. A sucker for Tom Cruise talk and Day-Lewis.
Stances
Jaws is the perfect movie
Munich is overrated
E.T. is fine but not a favorite
Close Encounters deserved a higher spot than he gave it
Humor: Dry, needling, and self-aware about the show's habits (Tom Cruise riffs, 'safe space').
In their words
“The more I look at my list, the more boring it feels to me.” (0:18:42)
“Will there ever be a podcast where you and I don't talk about what Tom Cruise should do next?” (1:02:21)
Admires the craft of this film and wants to know how directors build rhythm and performance. Interested in awards, box office and streaming. Ends interviews with a last-great-thing question.
Stances
Curious about how a chamber piece becomes propulsive
Presses on awards and box office
Humor: Dry and light; teases with a superhero question and the Friday sing-along.
In their words
“So no superhero movies coming from you anytime soon?” (0:22:54)
“I will start applying the Friday sing-along.” (0:19:03)
Loves the MCU best and thinks it is the most important film business now. Frames everything in industry terms: genre cycles, infrastructure, risk. Skeptical of DC's lack of voice and Snyder.
Stances
Superhero movies are the only movies of consequence in studios
Marvel's strength is infrastructure and filmmaker choice
Genres are most vulnerable when they seem strongest
Humor: Dry host asides and self-deprecation, like claiming empathy for Scott Summers.
In their words
“what matters is the infrastructure.” (0:55:28)
“are never more vulnerable than when they seem strongest.” (0:55:31)
Loves uncomfortable, unusual comedy and says he really loved Lemon. Draws lines from film to TV (Curb, Atlanta) and reaches for Twin Peaks as a tonal comparison. Likes ending interviews on what people are watching.
Stances
Lemon is awkward, fascinating and deeply unusual
Awkward comedy has evolved from Curb
Humor: Dry, teasing; jabs at the guests and himself.
Interested in directors' careers and the industry's shape; pushes on obsession, failure and reception. Notes how many filmmakers now pitch TV. Knows his jungle-film canon.
Stances
Frames Gray as a great American filmmaker deserving more notice
Curious how the Amazon release and streaming change moviegoing
Humor: Dry and light; mostly a straight interviewer.
In their words
“Yeah, Bird of Dream, sure.” (0:07:04)
“You have resisted the urge to make a TV project.” (0:30:24)
“I'm curious that you've partnered with Amazon to release the movie.” (0:26:31)
Calls himself one of America's preeminent Mank defenders and watched it four times in the 2020 Oscar season. Loves Citizen Kane, Paramount in the 70s, and the studio-hand-as-auteur idea. Dislikes Mank-mid takes that he thinks are phony and a Welles-defense posture he calls bullying.
Stances
Mank is a summation of Fincher's worldview and his father's influence
Welles defenders are bullying, not bullied
The Offer is compellingly bad but he finished all ten episodes
Netflix should not be Fincher's only home
Humor: Dry film-critic asides and confessions of excess, like watching Saw X at ten in the morning.
In their words
“I watched it 4 times in the Oscar season of 2020 to 2021.” (0:17:23)
“I don't do drugs.” (0:14:39)
“I not only watched it but I completed it.” (1:06:08)
Their shows' recurring bits
Running bits, not opinions; a critic read aloud is cited, not present.
The Big Picture
Drafts: Hosts and guests draft films in rounds; every pick is a recommendation with an argument.
Hall of Fame: A star's or director's best, ranked and argued.
Countdowns: Ranked lists, top five or top ten.
The Rewatchables
Apex Mountain: The moment a star peaks; where on the mountain a performance sits.
Who Won the Movie: The hosts name the person who came out of the film best off.
The Ebert review: Roger Ebert's original review and star rating read aloud. Ebert is cited, never on the show.
Casting what-ifs: Who was almost cast, or who should have been.
Most rewatchable scene: The scene each host would stop on while flipping channels.
Aged best / aged worst: What holds up and what does not.
Picking Nits: The little things in a film the hosts love that they don't think totally work: the nits.
Double feature: The film each host would pair it with; a programming pick.
Their claims
Showing 1,301–1,400 of 1,576 claims.
theme (theme):
The Invitation → Green Room.
Sean puts both on his runners-up list and says they belong in a separate category called terror.
“I think that those 2 movies should almost be recategorized into what we might call terror.”
verdict (verdict):
The Cabin in the Woods → Dracula.
Cabin in the Woods isn't scary but is still horror, the way the original Dracula is a horror film that no longer scares.
lineage (lineage):
It Follows → The Witch.
It Follows is a precursor to The Witch in the rise of the term elevated horror, a phrase both hosts distrust.
“I think is an interesting precursor to the witch because that's when we started hearing what I think is kind of an ugly phrase, which is elevated horror”
“Black Panther 2 in particular, though, struck me as weird because it might be after the rise of Skywalker, maybe Avatar 2, the most anticipated movie that exists”
industry (industry):
Ford v Ferrari → Bob Iger.
Iger blamed down earnings on failed Fox films Disney inherited, so Ford v Ferrari is the first Fox film Disney is really putting its back into.
“Well, recently Bob Iger in a call about earnings basically placed a lot of the blame on Disney's down earnings on the failure of several Fox films that they inherited, that they did not develop themselves.”
unmapped (preference):
El Camino: A Breaking Bad Movie → Aladdin.
Asked to choose, a host would take a Breaking Bad movie over another Aladdin-style remake.
“Let it be Breaking Bad then, rather than Aladdin.”
industry (industry):
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood → Long Shot.
Counterprogramming may be dead, and fewer original films get made if they go only to streamers.
“The question is whether or not people will still make movies like that if nobody goes to see them in the theaters.”
contrast (contrast experience):
Avengers: Endgame → Dark Phoenix.
Endgame's roaring screening is contrasted with a Dark Phoenix showing interrupted by a fire alarm.
“It was the opposite experience movie watching than you had from Avengers, which is getting a fire alarm in the last 45 seconds of the movie”
unmapped (tonal shift):
Brittany Runs a Marathon → Mike Nichols.
Sean sees a Nichols-like pattern of starting one way and shifting into a different movie.
“I feel like a lot of his movies start one way with a certain tonality and then they make a shift and then all of a sudden you're in a different movie”
craft (structure):
Brittany Runs a Marathon → Carnal Knowledge.
Carnal Knowledge starts one way and ends another, which is what Sean meant about the Nichols shift; it is also shot theatrically.
“Wait, it starts one way and it ends another way. That is fantastic.”
contrast (contrast):
The Last Waltz → Homecoming.
The Last Waltz is great for reasons other than the performances; Homecoming is great precisely because of the performance.
“I think homecoming is great, particularly because of the performance.”
theme (theme):
Beyonce → other control-freak filmmakers.
Her total control over collaborators is compared to male auteurs, who are just not also dancers and singers.
“to compare her to other control freak egomaniac filmmakers.”
programming (programming):
The Irishman → A Star Is Born.
Producer Bobby suggests The Irishman is this year's A Star Is Born for the hosts' Oscar obsession.
“perhaps the Irishman is this year's a star is born for us.”
programming (programming):
The Irishman → Netflix.
Sean assumes the Irishman has a contractual theatrical release while the other Netflix films might not.
“I assume the Irishman has something contractually that says they'll do that.”
people (people):
Stephen Daldry → Roger Deakins.
Daldry and Deakins were said to be making the unmade Kavalier & Clay together; Garfield could not confirm it was Deakins.
“So Dawdry and Deacons were going to make Cavalier.”
contrast (contrast):
Shazam! → Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.
Fennessey says Shazam!'s tone differs significantly from Superman versus Batman and the Justice League films.
“I think tonally this movie is pretty significantly different from Superman versus Batman and the Justice League films”
industry (industry):
Zack Snyder → Justice League.
Fennessey ties the stormy shared look of earlier DC films to Zack Snyder, which DC is now abandoning.
“the same kind of stormy visual aesthetic that Zack Snyder created”
craft (craft):
Wonder Woman → Captain Marvel.
Wonder Woman did its origin story in the first 30 minutes and moved on; Captain Marvel spends the whole film on it.
“What Wonder Woman did was gave us the best version of its origin story in the 1st 30 minutes, and then we were kind of done with that.”
theme (theme):
Captain Marvel → Captain America: The First Avenger.
Captain America's plucky do-gooder works because Chris Evans gets to be a good guy; Captain Marvel's girl-power messaging feels falsely applied by comparison.
“when the movie is Captain America the 1st Avenger, and Steve Rogers is this plucky, patriotic do-gooder, we are like, huh, what a good guy.”
theme (theme):
Captain Marvel → Wonder Woman.
Wonder Woman, like Superman, is a god and needs less emotional complexity; Carol Danvers is a real person who is blank for most of the film.
“Wonder Woman, likes Superman, is a god. And the levels of emotional complexity that we expect from a god are lesser than a real person.”
lineage (lineage):
Captain Marvel → Pulp Fiction.
Samuel L. Jackson driving around mid-90s Los Angeles evokes Jules Winfield, a clever but surface 90s nod.
“a Samuel L. Jackson character in the mid 90s driving around in a car in Los Angeles, a la Jules Winfield in Pulp Fiction.”
craft (craft):
Captain Marvel → Salt-N-Pepa.
The soundtrack's music cues are called very surface, such as a guard listening to 'What a Man'; the speaker likes the songs themselves.
“all of the music cues are very surface. A security guard can be seen listening to what a man.”
craft (craft):
Captain Marvel → No Doubt.
The big fight sequence is set to No Doubt's 'Just a Girl', which the speakers call cute and clever but ham-handed, part of a BuzzFeed-list version of the 90s.
“And famously, I think what will be sort of infamous is the big fight sequence in this movie is set to, no doubt, just a girl.”
contrast (contrast):
Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck → Black Panther.
Sean says he does not think the directors of Black Panther or Thor: Ragnarok sold out, but the comparison to Boden and Fleck is unavoidable.
“I love Black Panther, and I love Thor Ragnarok, and I don't think either of those guys sold out when they made those movies”
craft (craft):
Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck → Captain Marvel.
The speaker guesses the directors built the soundtrack the way a person makes a mixtape of their favorite 90s songs, with every song going into the film.
“they just put all the songs that end up in the movie, on their mixtape”
contrast (contrast):
Captain Marvel → Captain America: Civil War.
Sean feels closer to Captain Marvel's attempt at a real person than to Civil War, a pop confection.
“I'm actually much closer to this movie in a lot of ways than I am to a movie like Captain America Civil War.”
industry (industry):
Captain Marvel → Courtney Love.
The closing credits end on Hole's 'Celebrity Skin' and Courtney Love is one of the controllers of the Nirvana estate, which the speaker reads as corporate synergy.
“I couldn't help but notice that the film's closing credits ended with whole celebrity skin and that one of the controllers of the Nirvana estate is Courtney Love.”
craft (craft):
Captain Marvel → X-Men.
Expository Marvel dialogue needs a stentorian Shakespearean actor like Patrick Stewart or Ian McKellen, which Larson is not.
“there's a reason that the X-Men movies cast people like Patrick Stewart and Ian McCellen”
career (career):
Ben Mendelsohn → Terrence Malick.
Mendelsohn worked long and prosperously before, including in Terrence Malick and Baz Luhrmann movies.
“he had appearing Terrence Malik movies and Baz Luhrmann movies”
fun, about
Bohemian Rhapsody:
Queen's opening felt like a Jones Beach concert you'd see with your mom; and there were as many cutaways to Brian May in the show as in the film.
“It was just sort of like a concert you'd see at Jones Beach, like with your mom.”
fun, about
Die Hard / Red Desert:
His list runs from Fellini and Antonioni to Predator and Die Hard; Fennessey sums it up as Die Hard 8 or a Red Desert remake.
fun, about
Close Encounters of the Third Kind:
Chris moved it up the list mid-conversation after realizing how many ideas are in it; the Lucas/Spielberg wager story.
fun, about
Peter Sellers:
Sellers received a best actor nomination for what are effectively three supporting roles; the speakers think it may be the only such nomination.
“It is such a unique nomination to be like, this guy is the lead of the film because he plays 3 supporting characters in an ensemble.”