Appreciates craftspeople and lesser-known directors (loves The Boost and City Hall) and attends Cannes. Scrutinizes plot logic and loves Buscemi's Fargo energy. Disdains the garage finale.
Stances
The movie works until the murder, then the investigation sinks it
Modern tech would have ended the plot
Harold Becker's career deserves a look
Humor: Wry, uses film-nerd references and dry understatement.
In their words
“I just saw it for the 1st time this year is amazing.” (0:30:27)
“I just feel like reverse image search alone on a photo of Rick just ends this whole thing.” (1:08:35)
Treats After Hours as a top-5 Scorsese and an all-time favorite; loves style, Pee-wee-adjacent oddballs, Frances Ha and film-history research. Can't stand lazy comic-book flatness or explicit violence for its own sake. A sucker for homage, trivia and a clean pace.
Stances
After Hours is a hinge in Scorsese's career
Goodfellas' look starts here
Pauline Kael misread it
Nighttime New York movies are a lineage
Humor: Dry, researched asides and a New Yorker's grumble about the city changing.
In their words
“It's just a hinge movie for him, you know?” (1:41:36)
Barely audible in the transcript; credited by Bill's live-show promo and addressed as 'Fantasy', he offers short remarks on Spider Rico. Little can be said about his taste from this episode.
Admires Walken's monologue craft and Tarantino's refusal to sell out. Likes movie stars taking risks in non-star roles (Stallone in Cop Land). Dislikes how the film ends up with Fabienne.
Stances
Walken wins the Dion Waiters Award
Travolta, not Day-Lewis, was right
Tarantino never sold out
Humor: Quiet, wry one-liners; takes the long view.
In their words
“Don't massage my wife's foot unless you're a professional masseuse is one of my takes.” (0:10:40)
“I love when movie stars play non-movie star roles.” (2:41:43)
“Having him play like just one normal hitman having a weird day would be awesome.” (1:39:01)
Likes the sketch-driven silliness and Mini-Me/Scott Evil feud. Annoyed by Fat Bastard's grossness and Felicity sleeping with him. Likes Rob Lowe's resilient career.
Stances
Fat Bastard scene is the worst-aged
Dr. Evil nipples age best
Heather Graham deserves credit
Humor: Dry, plays straight man to Bill's tangents.
In their words
“Felicity sleeping with Fat Bastard has just grossed me out in 1999.” (0:37:25)
Sean is the most film-critical of the three, with a theory of Pacino as broken by Scarface and an argument that The Insider is his most calibrated performance. He admires Plummer's non-impression of Wallace and values the Mann-Roth research. He is less into the score and the style when applied to a white-collar story.
Stances
The Insider is probably Pacino's best performance
Mann's style strains for individuality and sometimes ages him
The movie is a little masturbatory when applied to a hotel-room decision story
The score is not his favorite Mann element
Humor: Wry and observational, with film-critic asides and self-deprecating comments about being excommunicated from the Mann club.
In their words
“I think this is truly his last great masterpiece.” (0:07:22)
“I think that the insider is probably his best performance because it's the one that is the most finely calibrated between loud, crazy, and kind of subtle and stormy” (0:12:36)
A DVD head and Letterboxd regular who would cave on the deleted scenes. Likes the fact sheets, craft details like Ozu, and friendship movies. Dislikes the sequel idea and the Costner scene being sat on forever.
Stances
Would show the cut Costner scene
Doubts Grand Canyon
Humor: Dry quips and the straight man to the Letterboxd jokes.
Cares about directorial craft and homage; Scorsese devotee. Praises performances and lessons over the direction, which he finds first-time-filmmaker plain. Bothered by mixed Goodfellas homages.
Stances
Wonders if Goodfellas echoes are purposeful
Scorsese directing would be more thrilling but less breezy
Wants answers on who planted the car bomb
Humor: Plays straight-man with deadpan nitpicks and question lists.
In their words
“my obsession with Martin Scorsese is probably rooted in the fact that I didn't have that.” (0:08:56)
“I just want to know how much of what he was doing was a purposeful homage to Goodfellas” (1:32:47)
Altman is in his top five favorite filmmakers and he knows the filmography cold, from Tanner '88 to Cookie's Fortune. He's a sucker for Carver and Blu-ray collecting and defends Greta Scacchi. He has little patience for TV-style stretches of an asshole.
Stances
Altman's legacy is the filmmakers he influenced
The Player is one of Altman's three or four best
Movies have been good for 15 months
The oral biography is the place to start with Altman
Humor: Dry and a little snobby about his own collector habits; deadpan fact-drops.
In their words
“He is in my top 5 favorite filmmakers ever.” (0:08:57)
“I think it's really like definitely one of his 3 or 4 best movies.” (0:10:20)
“I think movies have been good for like 15 months.” (1:40:05)
Film-nerd who values Willis's daring taste in directors and takes seriously the craft and the cultural footprint. Fond of Renny Harlin's Long Kiss Goodnight, De Palma, and a good that-guy roll call; skeptical of the movie's incoherent plot and the 9/11-erased airport.
Stances
Willis took risks with unproven filmmakers
Die Hard 2 is still among the better action movies of its era
Long Kiss Goodnight is Harlin's coolest movie
Air traffic control access was problematic
Humor: Dry, specific and film-literate; sets up jokes with precise references.
In their words
“he was willing to take on projects with filmmakers who were maybe not as proven.” (0:07:32)
Film-nerd who builds the big readings (Hitchcock lineage, Fincher career arc) and loves camera moves through walls and Blu-rays. Won't love the accent in Silence of the Lambs; sucker for nitpicks about propane physics.
Stances
Panic Room is Hitchcock doing Psycho after North by Northwest
Silence of the Lambs is still Foster's best
Likes Adventureland best of Stewart
Nitpicks the propane tank and phone logic
Humor: Dry and literate; gets teased for loving cameras inside walls and Blu-rays.
In their words
“I still think is probably the best thing she's ever been a part of” (0:29:47)
“I would say Adventureland is my favorite, Kristen Stewart” (1:34:50)
“Sean loves when we take cameras inside walls.” (1:21:07)
Loves Ang Lee's range, Brokeback Mountain, tragedy with satire, and thinking about how industry changes. Can't stand over-explained text. A sucker for Joan Allen and small observed behavior.
Stances
Lee has the most varied filmography of any major director in 30 years
The film is more satire than bum-out
Joan Allen is the apex pick
Humor: Earnest and precise, then undercuts with a deadpan aside.
In their words
“He probably has the most varied filmography of any major director in the last 30 years.” (0:09:07)
“Joan wins out of all the actors.” (1:23:11)
“I thought that movie was good, and that kind of came and went, and it was almost in the wrong decade.” (1:12:00)
Film-history lens: loves the Method actors versus movie-star divide, Scorsese's visual flourishes, and Newman's integrity. Dislikes the idea that Ebert missed the ending's point. A sucker for Grady Seasons and Amos scenes.
Stances
It's a torch-passing movie in both business and story
Ending ambiguity is the point, not a flaw
Newman integrity explains the forfeit
Scorsese is great at making a small movie feel big
Humor: Dry film-nerd asides, like claiming he will be 'young and vital forever.'
In their words
“Just that I'm going to be young and vital forever, so I still don't relate to any of that stuff, you know?” (0:21:09)
“it's one of the most exciting and entertaining movies he ever made.” (0:16:10)
“Newman is one of the few guys who basically fused both disciplines.” (0:05:48)
Proud Bill Murray devotee who frames careers in eras; loves the 'from hell' genre and craft details like cinematographer and editor credentials. A champion of Julie Hagerty and Dr. Melfi. Gets a kick out of deep trivia and the Muppets.
Stances
Murray has two phases, pre- and post-Rushmore
The film is a successor to Pacific Heights
Anna may be a post-college adult
Dreyfuss finally plays the character he was destined for
Humor: Confident, nerdy deep cuts and theory-building that makes the others groan, such as the post-college Anna reading.
In their words
“Think of this movie as a logical successor to Pacific Heights.” (0:46:51)
“Sean, you're a Bill Murray guy. Proudly. Proudly.” (0:03:35)
Admires Mann's themes and the rich cinematic lineage; calls himself a weed smoker for Heat but loves Thief. Fond of Caan's volatile nuance, finds Weld and Nelson fascinating.
Admires Fincher as a control-freak craftsman and sees Hitchcock behind Se7en. Can't stand when the Academy rewards uplift over difficult genre filmmaking. A sucker for the Freeman-as-lead reading.
Stances
Se7en is the darkest mainstream American movie ever made.
Pitt is not top-tier here; it is Freeman's movie.
Fincher won the movie.
Humor: Dry and precise, deadpan asides.
In their words
“this is just about the darkest mainstream American movie ever made.” (0:05:59)
“it's also just completely a Hitchcock movie in so many ways.” (0:14:30)
Critic-minded and history-minded: loves the real SNL oral histories, Siskel, Ritchie and Chandler-style noir. Cannot stand weak acting, especially Dana Wheeler-Nicholson here, and defends Siskel over Ebert. A sucker for HBO Max old movies.
Stances
You have to get Chevy Chase to get Fletch
Dana Wheeler-Nicholson is a bad actress
Ebert missed the point
Humor: Dry, authoritative asides and long rants framed as scholarship.
In their words
“I think if you don't get Chevy Chase, you will never get this movie.” (0:02:14)
“You may recall from the Tombstone podcast that I noted that she is a bad actress and she's not good in flutch.” (0:51:31)
Loves the Cameron-Ferris friendship, Hughes's relationships, and the film as a closed system of perfection. Cannot stand overthinking about why it works; a sucker for people who keep it together while coiled. Defends innocent fun and Cameron.
Stances
Ferris is the movie but audiences relate to Cameron
The film works as an unreplicable perfect moment
Jeffrey Jones was the right choice over Paul Gleason
Hughes is a rare writer who channels all kinds of characters
Humor: Dry, deadpan, quick to drop a zinger; the host who delivers the Silent Judge side-eye.
In their words
“It's like a, this is a very closed system of perfection.” (0:19:12)
“Your dirtbag ethics have nothing to do with what makes Ferris Bueller beautiful.” (1:26:08)
Treats Tarantino as the central author, loves Leo DiCaprio's work here, and defends the movie's themes against online complaints. Loves the Bruce Lee roof scene. Can't stand criticism that misses the point about beginnings and endings of careers.
Stances
Quentin wins every Tarantino movie
Leo's performance is the best of his career
The Margot Robbie criticism missed the point
Humor: Dry, deflecting, and gets teased about Equinox and Leo.
In their words
“I think Leo decided in like 1992.” (0:15:50)
“I think Quentin wins all of his movies.” (1:17:39)
Self-described not a huge Bond person who finds Skyfall scratches the part of his brain other Bonds do not; loves the Silva rat speech and dialogue scenes. A Peter Morgan disciple and Anglophile who can pick out British character actors.
Stances
Skyfall's action is accessible and legible
Silva dominates the film
Hacking is the worst-aged element
Humor: Deadpan nitpicks and bits about vlogging villains.
In their words
“I am not a huge bond person.” (0:04:20)
Their shows' recurring bits
Running bits, not opinions; a critic read aloud is cited, not present.
The Big Picture
Drafts: Hosts and guests draft films in rounds; every pick is a recommendation with an argument.
Hall of Fame: A star's or director's best, ranked and argued.
Countdowns: Ranked lists, top five or top ten.
The Rewatchables
Apex Mountain: The moment a star peaks; where on the mountain a performance sits.
Who Won the Movie: The hosts name the person who came out of the film best off.
The Ebert review: Roger Ebert's original review and star rating read aloud. Ebert is cited, never on the show.
Casting what-ifs: Who was almost cast, or who should have been.
Most rewatchable scene: The scene each host would stop on while flipping channels.
Aged best / aged worst: What holds up and what does not.
Picking Nits: The little things in a film the hosts love that they don't think totally work: the nits.
Double feature: The film each host would pair it with; a programming pick.
Their claims
Showing 1,501–1,576 of 1,576 claims.
people (people):
Raiders of the Lost Ark → Harrison Ford.
Ford's nerd-professor-turned-hero is called the best action hero star performance ever.
“And it is the best action hero star performance.”
lineage (lineage):
Raiders of the Lost Ark → Chris Pratt.
The wrong lessons from Indiana Jones were taken by later action heroes like Pratt.
“the lessons that we took from that character that like Chris Pratt took maybe from that character are not the ones that I think we should have been taking”
verdict (verdict):
Saving Private Ryan → Saving Private Ryan.
The film is two films: a landing that changed war movies and a baggy, ending-too-often second half.
contrast (contrast):
Saving Private Ryan → Schindler's List.
Schindler's List is the other side of the coin and does what Ryan's back half wanted to do: reckon with the other side of the conflict.
“My number 4 Schindler's list, which is kind of the other side of the coin on Saving Private Ryan.”
what-if (what-if):
Schindler's List → Billy Wilder.
Wilder reportedly asked Spielberg to let him make Schindler's List as his last film, and Spielberg said no.
“Billy Wilder learned that Steven Spielberg acquired the rights to Schindler's list, and he came to Steven before he made the movie.”
“It sets a different kind of template for science fiction storytelling, for stories about families, for stories about obsession, for stories about divorce”
career (career):
Sarah Greenwood → Joe Wright.
The host notes Wright's production-design and costume collaborators have been nominated for awards while Wright has not.
“Particularly your team, Sarah Greenwood, Jacqueline Duran, who both worked on this film, have been nominated.”
career (career):
Jacqueline Durran → Joe Wright.
The host notes Wright's production-design and costume collaborators have been nominated for awards while Wright has not.
“Particularly your team, Sarah Greenwood, Jacqueline Duran, who both worked on this film, have been nominated.”
craft (craft):
Watchmen → Zack Snyder.
Snyder's Watchmen was his favorite of his superhero efforts, helped by being faithful to a single finite graphic novel.
“that's my favorite Zack Snyder superhero endeavor for sure.”
industry (industry):
Batman Begins → The Avengers.
DC's Nolan-started universe began five years before Marvel's shared universe; had DC known, they would have jumped on it.
“if DC had any inkling of what Marvel was to create 5 years later that they would have jumped on this shared universe IP right away.”
industry (industry):
Guardians of the Galaxy → Thor: Ragnarok.
Guardians is among Marvel's most beloved and its success, like Ragnarok's, shows the brand outrunning the character's profile.
“I think in some ways that is among their most beloved movies too”
people (people):
Wonder Woman → Patty Jenkins.
Jenkins choosing to make Wonder Woman is the Marvel blueprint of finding the right filmmaker, unlike Snyder.
people (people):
Justice League → Joss Whedon.
Whedon finished Justice League after Snyder left, inserting snappy Marvel-style dialogue into a grim DC.
“Justice League was finished by Joss Whedon, who was the writer director of the Avengers film”
programming (programming):
Justice League → Thor.
Justice League must make Cyborg, Aquaman, and the Flash into linchpins the way Thor and Captain America are.
“They have to be the Thor, they have to be the Captain America.”
what-if (what-if):
The Dark Knight → Heath Ledger.
Ledger's death took the Batman/Joker relationship off the board; what might Nolan's plans have been?
“what would have happened if Heath Ledger lived, what could their plans have been?”
industry (industry):
Iron Man → Avengers: Infinity War.
Superhero movies as a genre are compared to 1940s-50s musicals: most vulnerable when strongest.
“are never more vulnerable than when they seem strongest.”
programming (programming):
Avengers: Infinity War → Ant-Man and the Wasp.
Whether Ant-Man and the Wasp matters as much as Infinity War is a test of Marvel overexposure.
“At what point does Ant-man and the Wasp not matter as much as Infinity War?”
theme (theme):
Juneteenth (Atlanta episode) → Lemon.
Sean calls Juneteenth a sister to Lemon because both explore awkward encounters between privilege and non-privilege.
“it really makes Juneteenth a sister of some kind to lemon and that movie explores it as well.”
“I was thinking of curb your enthusiasm and the way that Larry David would throw people into social situations that make you want to tear your skin off.”
career (career):
Gregor Goboom (short) → Lemon.
Sean asks whether Lemon is more confident because the collapse and the Gregor Goboom detour happened; Bravo says yes, the delay was her incubation.
“Do you think that Lemon would not have been, I don't know, maybe as accomplished or as like confident, if that hadn't happened”
unmapped (adapting lived experience):
Herman Mankiewicz → Citizen Kane.
Sean says Citizen Kane is Welles adapting an experience Herman Mankiewicz had inside the Hearst circle.
“so in a way, this is him adapting an experience that Herman Mankowitz had”
people (Mank casting parallels):
RKO 281 → Mank.
Malkovich plays Mank in RKO 281, Schreiber Welles, Cromwell Hearst; Oldman, Burke, Dance in the Fincher film.
unmapped (self-portrait):
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button → Mank.
The speaker reads Fincher as both the scumbag who made Seven and the sincere artist who made Benjamin Button, which is Mank.
“he made Ben Benjamin Button, you know, like that he is, he's Mank”
unmapped (Netflix as MGM):
Mank → David Fincher.
Fincher thinks of Netflix as rebels throwing stones at the old castle, then peak MGM; Mayer's line about selling what we own fits.
“And he thinks that Netflix are like the rebels throwing stones at the old castle, and then within 10 years, it's like, oh, Netflix is now peak MGM.”
unmapped (professional drunk):
The Way Back → Mank.
The Way Back is praised for the business of getting drunk, like Mank; called a 1970s Robert Duvall-style movie.
“I think it's excellent and also like way too traditional to have made sense in 2020 to anybody.”
theme (thematic comparison):
Dr. Strangelove → Tootsie.
Speaker says Strangelove and Tootsie are both extremely funny but feel important to the industry.
“Well, this movie and Totsie have a lot in common, right?”
industry (rival same-premise film):
Dr. Strangelove → Fail-Safe.
Kubrick was offered the novel Fail-Safe; a lawsuit during Strangelove's production meant Fail-Safe had to come out after it, though Columbia released both.
“there was some kind of lawsuit filed during the production of Dr. Strangelove, uh, that meant that Failsafe had to come out after Dr. Strangelove.”
people (casting persona):
Dr. Strangelove → The Long Goodbye.
Speaker says Strangelove was the first time Hayden's personal struggles were put on screen, and later filmmakers used that persona going forward (Godfather, Long Goodbye).
“This is the 1st time when like his personal struggles, like were actualized in a movie, and then I felt like filmmakers only used this in movies going forward”
career (career parallel):
John Frankenheimer → Stanley Kubrick.
Frankenheimer's 1962 to 1966 run is compared to Kubrick trying a different genre each time.
“this movie comes in the middle of the most underrated five-year run in any American filmmaker's history, which is John Frankenheimer from 1962 to 1966”
fun, about
Bohemian Rhapsody:
Queen's opening felt like a Jones Beach concert you'd see with your mom; and there were as many cutaways to Brian May in the show as in the film.
“It was just sort of like a concert you'd see at Jones Beach, like with your mom.”
fun, about
Die Hard / Red Desert:
His list runs from Fellini and Antonioni to Predator and Die Hard; Fennessey sums it up as Die Hard 8 or a Red Desert remake.
fun, about
Close Encounters of the Third Kind:
Chris moved it up the list mid-conversation after realizing how many ideas are in it; the Lucas/Spielberg wager story.
fun, about
Peter Sellers:
Sellers received a best actor nomination for what are effectively three supporting roles; the speakers think it may be the only such nomination.
“It is such a unique nomination to be like, this guy is the lead of the film because he plays 3 supporting characters in an ensemble.”